Atlanta go to Clemson to stop read-option

[CRA]

/facepalm

Yeah, and The Golden Calf of Bristol won two national championships at QB. Wait... that can't be right. The Gators are from the SEC. Gasps! That must mean The Golden Calf of Bristol is a top tier QB!

Logic, failed. That poo is annoying.

The Golden Calf of Bristol sucks balls....and Denver went to the 2nd round of the playoffs running read option, RARELY passing, and playing D.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol could pass...he would be a beast.

[CRA]

Peyton Manning = QB that cant run fast

People calling him nonathletic = semi-tard

Manning isn't athletic by NFL QB standards.

Not understanding that....and thinking it means he couldn't make a JV Girls Softball team = full retard

[L-TownCat]

Manning isn't athletic by NFL QB standards.

Not understanding that....and thinking it means he couldn't make a JV Girls Softball team = full retard

I get your point that people use the term athletic QB to describe the new breed of QB (Cam, RG3, Wilson, Keap, Rogers, etc). However, Peyton is one helluva athlete, perennial probowler, suberbowl winner, NFL QB. Because the guy doesn't have athletic legs doesn't take away the fact that the guy has an athletic arm.

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/facepalm

Yeah, and The Golden Calf of Bristol won two national championships at QB. Wait... that can't be right. The Gators are from the SEC. Gasps! That must mean The Golden Calf of Bristol is a top tier QB!

Logic, failed. That poo is annoying.

Side note: Cam is also a drop back QB. The Golden Calf of Bristol, NOT. Auburn hasn't won 5 games since Cam, including the coach getting fired. The gators have been to at least a bowl game every year after The Golden Calf of Bristol. Logic stands.

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

Breaking News: LaFell and Olsen are reliable targets and Smitty remains a dangerous weapon. We don't need a Jones, Gonzalez and White to be a dominating offense. It doesn't hurt to add weapons but give any QB a solid OL and he'll pick apart any defense.

It's not about eliminating the Read Option but limiting it, and Rivera did just that when we came into Philadelphia. The Panthers started running a traditional offense and Newton responded. How well? Cam completed over 63% of his passes with only threw 2 INTs in his final 7 games.

Running a traditional offense means not ever using read-option or design run for a QB. Peyton, per se, ran a traditional offense. Cam didn't play one game without a design run/read-option. No such thing as 'limiting'. "You play to win the game". Whatever play is helping you move the ball down field the easiest is the one you use.

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

Breaking News: LaFell and Olsen are reliable targets and Smitty remains a dangerous weapon. We don't need a Jones, Gonzalez and White to be a dominating offense. It doesn't hurt to add weapons but give any QB a solid OL and he'll pick apart any defense.

It's not about eliminating the Read Option but limiting it, and Rivera did just that when we came into Philadelphia. The Panthers started running a traditional offense and Newton responded. How well? Cam completed over 63% of his passes with only threw 2 INTs in his final 7 games.

Every starting WR in the NFL are viable targets. They get paid too. But some drop the football as often as they catch it or rarely get open when game is close. A WR who average 50 catches/year and a WR who averages 90 catches/year are two different beast and get paid differently.

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

Cam = Awesome

Failcons = Fail

Clemson = Double Fail

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Peyton Manning = QB that cant run fast

People calling him nonathletic = semi-tard

What's with all those defense of peyton's inability to run. Even peyton would tell you himself that he couldn't run to save his life. Nothing wrong with that. But the fact stands.

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

The Golden Calf of Bristol sucks balls....and Denver went to the 2nd round of the playoffs running read option, RARELY passing, and playing D.

If The Golden Calf of Bristol could pass...he would be a beast.

They beat the steelers whose coach is still bitter about the read-option being ran down their throat. I find it laughable that Tomlin is still mad about it. He is proclaiming he is gonna stop the read-option. Easy to say playing in the AFC with no read-option QBs/teams.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154216/article/russell-wilson-mobile-qbs-add-new-dimension-to-nfl

At first when I read that article I thought Tomlin might be on to something until I read your The Golden Calf of Bristol comment and remembered it was The Golden Calf of Bristol that beat them in the playoffs with the read option. That got me laughing.

I'm sure he wouldn't be making comments like that if his team was in a division pancaked between the hawks and 9ers.

[L-TownCat]

What's with all those defense of peyton's inability to run. Even peyton would tell you himself that he couldn't run to save his life. Nothing wrong with that. But the fact stands.

I know he cant run thus the Peyton = QB that cant run fast.

I cant run fast. Should I, being a non athlete, be able to do the things Peyton does?

A cheetah can run fast, does that make it more of an athlete than Peyton?

Offensive and Defensive lineman are slower than your average skill players does that make them less of an athlete?

Sir Purr may be the fastest cat on the field but I still wouldn't trust him to be my QB.

Look, I know that the old statuesque QB's of the past are slowly fading out and that's cool but to call them nonathletic in the feats that they have accomplished is just ridiculous. I think the newer QB's and today's skill players are much more fun to watch. I had fun watching the other guys too. I know where this argument is going and I know the points both sides are making.

Definition Websters Style

Athlete:: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

Definition In Context of this argument

Athletic QB: A quarter back that not only possesses the skills of a pocket passer but as the need arises can tuck the ball and (using his athleticism) become a running threat.

Sound about right?

[Guest BlueBoyRamses_E1b1a]

Definition Websters Style

Athlete:: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

By this definition, Peyton is not even an athlete(Can't stop laughing. Lol). Peyton and Brady are more in the golf players category. You know, the gray area between athletic and competition. Peyton and Brady are as athletic at jugs machines or long snappers.

[Icege]

I don't think anybody has a problem with the read-option as a play, but as an offensive scheme it didn't exactly go very well for the team last season.

[CRA]

I don't think anybody has a problem with the read-option as a play, but as an offensive scheme it didn't exactly go very well for the team last season.

but the read option wasn't the issue....having two holes at G was and running it heavy.

[CRA]

What makes Cam special and superior over other dual threat QBs like Vick and Vince is his arm, not his legs. Any dual threat QB out there could scramble but only a QB of Newton's caliber could succeed in the pocket. The fact is you just don't have faith in him being a QB and are somehow blinded by his intangibles when he's on the run.

Bad investment? Newton, himself, has proven you wrong already. Like it or not, Rivera has shown interest in limiting the Read Option and I couldn't be happier.

The QB doesn't call the shots. The OC and HC do. Cam loved the idea of bringing the Read Option to Carolina but he didn't reconfigure the playbooks. Chud brought it to the NFL to ease Cam in. That's all. Chud (in a recent interview) talked about it and why Cam is ready to move on from the Read Option.

Vick had an arm....lacked height but he had a rocket arm. Vick prior to jail had one of the biggest arms in the NFL...and still has a canon. Difference in Vick and Cam is size....and it makes a big difference as a passer and runner.

What makes Cam special is his ability as a passer AND he legitmately is the only guy built to be a dual threat QB. I have full faith in Cam being one of the GOAT. But not if you try to make him play Eli Manning's style early in his career.....which we haven't and RIVERA won't.

You can't read....I said he WOULD be a bad investment IF you turned him into a traditional pocket passer year 3. Newton has proven me right....as I wanted him drafted to be Cam and they have let him.

And Chud talked about it being a 7-8 year plan to turn him into more of a pocket player....which based on age makes sense.

Read option is just a modern version of play action for a mobile QB....so it isn't a read option debate. It is just a do you want Cam to be a runner or not.

If Steve Young didn't run he wouldn't of been special....same with Newton. Turn him into a pocket passer this year.....we suck. But NOTHING besides people thinking somehow our new GM is our OC backs that

[CRA]

That's false. The 49ers and Redskins illustrate my point. Both of these offenses utilized the Pistol but they also mixed in traditional playcalling.

And Carolina had tons of traditional playcalling ....in 2011 and 2012.