My case to why we should not take an OT at 14

[Swaggasaurus]

Then you have to ask yourself why would you draft him if you have one of the best return specialist in the league. Cutting off some of his impact. And you have to wait for his impact as a wr.

If you draft him and he loses out to Ginn for the KR/PR job. You have a top 14 pick on the field only for 3 wr sets. How much impact is that?

Why not 2 WR sets?

[koolkatluke]

Why not 2 WR sets?

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9069721

No matter how much some of you hate it. Patterson will not come in and be able to take the #2 wr spot from lafell.

He's doesn't know the offense.

He still has to work on route running and learning all the routes in the tree.

He isn't the blocker Lafell is for the run game and we will still run the ball a lot.

[Brokenbad]

OFFENSIVE TACKLES DON'T WIN YOU GAMES!

Defense and PLAYMAKERS do!!!

Offensive tackles who were taken in the 1st round in the past 7 years (I'm only going that far).

2012: Matt Kalil no.4 (Minnesota's record: 10-6, Wildcard), Riley Reiff no.23 (Detriot's record: 4-12)

2011: Tyron Smith no.9 (Dallas' record: 8-8), Nate Solder no.17 (New England's record: 13-3, SB appearance), Anthony Castonzo no.22 (Indy's record: 2-14), James Carpenter no.25 (Seattle's record: 7-9), Gabe Carimi no.29 (Chicago's record: 8-8), Derek Sherrod no.32 (GB's record: 15-1, Divsional)

2010: Trent Williams no.4 (Wash's recrod: 6-10), Russell Okung no.6 (Seattle's record: 7-9, Divisional), Anthony Davis no.11 (SF's record: 6-10), Bryan Bulaga no.23 (GB's record: 10-6, SB Champion)

2009: Jason Smith no.2 (StL's record: 1-15), Andre Smith no.6 (Cincy's record: 10-6, Wildcard), Eugene Monroe no.8 (Jags' record: 7-9), Michael Oher no. 23 (Balt's record: 9-7, Dvisional)

2008: Jake Long no.1 (Mia's record: 11-5, Wildcard), Ryan Clady no.12 (Denver's record: 8-8), Branden Albert no.15 (KC's record: 2-14), Gosder Cherilus no.17 (Detriot's record: 0-16), Jeff Otah no.19 (Caolina's record: 12-4, Divsional), Sam Baker no.21 (Atl's record: 11-5, Wildcard), Duane Brown no.26 (Houston's record: 8-8)

2007: Joe Thomas no.1 (Browns' record: 10-6), Levi Brown no.5 (Cardinals' record: 8-8), Joe Staley no. 28 (SF's record: 5-11)

2006: D'Brickashaw Ferguson no.4 (Jets' record: 10-6, Wildcard)

2005: Jammal Brown no.13 (Wash's record: 10-6, Divisional), Alex Barron no.19 (St.L's record: 6-10)

Notes: In the past 7 NFL Drafts, 29 Offensive Tackles were taken in the 1st round. Twelve of the 29 OTs had winning records in their rookie year. Twelve of the 29 OTs made the Playoffs in their first season. (Joe Thomas 10-6 didnt make the Playoffs / Russell Okung 7-9 made the Playoffs)

Previous 7 years Super Bowl Champions:

2013: Baltimore Ravens

LT: Bryant McKinnie (1st Rounder) FA addition

LG: Kelechi Osemele (2nd Rounder)

C: Matt Birk (6th Rounder) FA addition

RG: Marshal Yanda (3rd Rounder)

RT: Michael Oher (1st Rounder) *****

2012: New York Giants

LT: David Diehl (5th Rounder)

LG: Kevin Boothe (6th Rounder) FA addition

C: David Baas (2nd Rounder) FA addition

RG: Chris Snee Chris Snee (2nd Rounder)

RT: Kareem McKenzie (3rd Rounder) FA addition

2011: Green Bay Packers

LT: Chad Clifton (2nd Rounder)

LG: Daryn Colledge (2nd Rounder)

C: Scott Wells (7th Rounder)

RG: Josh Sitton 4th Rounder)

RT: Bryan Bulaga (1st Rounder) *****

2010: New Orleans Saints

LT: Jermon Bushrod (4th Rounder)

LG: Carl Nicks (5th Rounder)

C: Jonathan Goodwin (5th Rounder) FA addition

RG: Jahri Evans (4th Rounder)

RT: Jon Stinchcomb (2nd Rounder)

2009: Pittsburgh Steelers

LT: Max Starks (3rd Rounder)

LG: Chris Kemoeatu (6th Rounder)

C: Justin Hartwig (6th Rounder) FA addition

RG: Darnell Stapleton (undrafted)

RT: Willie Colon (4th Rounder)

2008: New York Giants

LT: David Diehl (5th Rounder)

LG: Rich Seubert (undrafted)

C: Shaun O'Hara (undrafted) FA addition

RG: Chris Snee (2nd Rounder)

RT: Kareem McKenzie (3rd Rounder) FA addition

2007: Indianapolis Colts

LT: Tarik Glenn (1st Rounder) *****

LG: Ryan Lilja (undrafted)

C: Jeff Saturday (undrafted)

RG: Jake Scott (5th Rounder)

RT: Ryan Diem (4th Rounder)

Notes:

Out of the previous 7 years Super Bowl Champions, "only" three "OTs" were taken by their team as 1st rounders (Glenn, Bulaga, and Oher). Two (Bulaga and Oher) of the three are "RTs". Only Glenn was a LT.

Conclusion: At the end of the day, we're better off grooming later round guys of our owns, and going the FA route for veterans O-linemen. Knowing Accorsi and Reese, Gettleman should stay true to his NY Philosophy.

Says the same clown that wants Tavon Austin at 14....

[carolina-chuck]

Wait, just a couple of pages ago you were saying this wasn't a smash mouth league anymore an mauling OLs weren't necessary in the new pass heavy NFL. Which is it?

Personally, I don't want any OL other than a LT in the top half of the 1st round.

Every year the analysts overrate where the first interior OL will go. If there's elite interior OL prospects, the first usually goes in the early to mid-20s. If not, it's often early in the 2cd. Hell, tons of analysts were mocking DeCastro in the top 10 last year. They just here NFL types raving about the guys and end up overrating them. Yes, the NFL guys rave about them, but they're still interior OL players and those aren't premium positions. You only draft premium positions in the top half of the 1st round.

Personally, I don't want any OL other than a RG in the top half of the 1st round

[carolina-chuck]

If Patterson ended up being a more effective return man, Ginn might not even make the final roster in that hypothetical situation.

More like Pilares, AE and Gettis may not make the final roster

[LinvilleGorge]

Personally, I don't want any OL other than a RG in the top half of the 1st round

There won't be an OG that goes in the top half of the 1st round. There almost never is. It's just not a premium position.