Scott Fowler: Wins are Cam's litmus test this year

[FootballMaestro]

Actually you are blaming the defense and Rivera for all the mistakes while acknowledging that Newton make a few mistakes.  I am blaming them all equally.  The whole fumble issue you created with saying that Newton shouldn't be blamed for it but Rivera and the defense should take the blame.  I said they all deserve blame.  I can see how each individual and each unit contributed where you and others apologize for Newton while throwing everyone under the bus.  Something your idol would never do.

 

And anyone who thinks Rivera's mistakes are under the radar haven't been paying attention for months on all the criticism he received when he was almost fired and since.

Your inability to see things from more than one point of view is truly extraordinary.

 

This is an indicator of your daft and aloofness. 

 

A person can watch or grade a game, it's players and events several/different ways. 

 

Now you're claiming you're holding everyone accountable (though Ironically, you argue down everyone that cast the blame somewhere else). And that's fine. If you really mean that. 

 

Others, can cast blame on a graduated, situational, declarative or reflective level. And that's their prerogative as well. So I don't understand, why you spend so much time trying to convince, or point out your viewpoint to others so much. 

 

Personally, I don't really care. I just don't watch that game, and sweat about what Cam did (if you had to ask me who was the GOAT). Quite frankly, I don't think about that game much at all. It's old news, over. Onward to 2013. 

 

SMH

[FootballMaestro]

I hope you are done.  And done with the attacks about me about which you have no knowledge.  People here who know what I do and have done also know who the fool is here talking out of turn and it isn't me.

Lesson number 2: Taking away from others and their expertise doesn't help your argument. Particularly when those you criticize may in fact have expertise which you know nothing about.

 

Not it's not only because you're posturing on an internet forum. 

 

Fowler wrote an article on judging Cam on Wins. Right?

 

And I said, 'when are the articles on Rivera, going to be written'. Correct?

 

Someone brought up the Atlanta game, and I gave my feelings. And you been trying to convince me and others, I really don't know what, to tell you the truth. Lol. 

 

The point is: I have my perspective on the game. And in light of the article, it's totally plausible and understandable. So why are you trying to convince me, and anyone else otherwise?

 

Just say your piece, and move on. It's all apples and oranges anyway. 

[panthers55]

Well if an idiot could see he fumbled why are we obsessing over this nearly a year later? It's been confirmed and discussed at length last season. The person who decided to bring it up clearly must still harbor bitterness.

 

Go back  and look at who has kept this fumbling issue going and that is Football Maestro, not me.  I simply said that if you are going to blame the defense and the Rivera, you have to first blame Cam who started everything by fumbling which would have ended the game.  That is fact not opinion.  The reason that this goes on is his penchant to hold Newton harmless while blaming everyone else.   All we have to do is admit they all made mistakes and need to get better and it goes away.

This post is a microcosm of the whole debate.  You blame me for keeping it going without admitting you are part of it as well. I know it takes all of it to make it keep  going.  I can stop, can you????

[FootballMaestro]

Go back  and look at who has kept this fumbling issue going and that is Football Maestro, not me.  I simply said that if you are going to blame the defense and the Rivera, you have to first blame Cam who started everything by fumbling which would have ended the game.  That is fact not opinion.  The reason that this goes on is his penchant to hold Newton harmless while blaming everyone else.   All we have to do is admit they all made mistakes and need to get better and it goes away.

This post is a microcosm of the whole debate.  You blame me for keeping it going without admitting you are part of it as well. I know it takes all of it to make it keep  going.  I can stop, can you????

 

This is how senseless you are?

 

How am I to blame, when it was someone else that brought up the Atlanta game (which is what/who Red was referring to, regarding the bitterness), and you were the one arguing with me to prolong it, as you are now. Lol/SMH

 

As both I, and Red said, it's a pointless argument. Stop trying to be a mind reader/Huddler Police as well. 

 

Let it go for Christ sakes. If that was Clausen at Quarterback in Atlanta, I would have said the same thing. 

 

SMH

[NFCSouthChamp1]

Poor coaching has nothing to do with fumbles and interceptions. Cam reminds me of Tony Romo, he puts up big pretty numbers but doesn't put it all together outside of four or five games. The plus side for Tony, he can get his team a winning season.

 

 

[panthers55]

This is an indicator of your daft and aloofness. 

 

A person can watch or grade a game, it's players and events several/different ways. 

 

Now you're claiming you're holding everyone accountable (though Ironically, you argue down everyone that cast the blame somewhere else). And that's fine. If you really mean that. 

 

Others, can cast blame on a graduated, situational, declarative or reflective level. And that's their prerogative as well. So I don't understand, why you spend so much time trying to convince, or point out your viewpoint to others so much. 

 

Personally, I don't really care. I just don't watch that game, and sweat about what Cam did (if you had to ask me who was the GOAT). Quite frankly, I don't think about that game much at all. It's old news, over. Onward to 2013. 

 

SMH

You still need to attack others as if this elevates you. Why not consider elevating your level of responding to an adult level conversation?  You can make a point without calling someone daft and aloof.  I can only assume that your emotionality when talking about Cam colors your ability to respond maturely. I agree we should move on.  I frankly have nothing to learn from someone who believes personal attacks are a legitimate way of discussing issues with others. If I want to do that, I can have a conversation with my 7th grader who hasn't figures that out yet.

[TheRumGone]

FootballMaestro is soooooo obnoxious

[TheRumGone]

Poor coaching has nothing to do with fumbles and interceptions. Cam reminds me of Tony Romo, he puts up big pretty numbers but doesn't put it all together outside of four or five games. The plus side for Tony, he can get his team a winning season.

 

um...no. 

[panthers55]

This is how senseless you are?

 

How am I to blame, when it was someone else that brought up the Atlanta game (which is what/who Red was referring to, regarding the bitterness), and you were the one arguing with me to prolong it, as you are now. Lol/SMH

 

As both I, and Red said, it's a pointless argument. Stop trying to be a mind reader/Huddler Police as well. 

 

Let it go for Christ sakes. If that was Clausen at Quarterback in Atlanta, I would have said the same thing. 

 

SMH

Lesson number 3:  It takes 2 to continue an argument. Instead of demanding someone else let it go, do so yourself. Don't ask someone else to do what you won't or can't do yourself. The downside:  You  can't get in the last word that way.

 

Watch how it is done..... 

[FootballMaestro]

You still need to attack others as if this elevates you. Why not consider elevating your level of responding to an adult level conversation?  You can make a point without calling someone daft and aloof.  I can only assume that your emotionality when talking about Cam colors your ability to respond maturely. I agree we should move on.  I frankly have nothing to learn from someone who believes personal attacks are a legitimate way of discussing issues with others. If I want to do that, I can have a conversation with my 7th grader who hasn't figures that out yet.

 

You're determination to try to convince others of an argument or viewpoint on an internet forum , you can't win, along with your feeble psycho-therapy skills, are actually the height of juvenile-ism (and not name calling), come to think of it. 

 

Nonetheless, I'm glad we can agree on something, and hopefully move on indeed. 

 

Thank you Sir

[FootballMaestro]

Lesson number 3:  It takes 2 to continue an argument. Instead of demanding someone else let it go, do so yourself. Don't ask someone else to do what you won't or can't do yourself. The downside:  You  can't get in the last word that way.

 

Watch how it is done..... 

 

I tell ya, I'm laughing every time. 

 

Thanks for the entertainment. SMH/Lol

[TheRed]

Poor coaching has nothing to do with fumbles and interceptions. Cam reminds me of Tony Romo, he puts up big pretty numbers but doesn't put it all together outside of four or five games. The plus side for Tony, he can get his team a winning season.

You clowns were one first down from being swept.

Tony Romo, lol. When's the last time Romo flat out embarrassed your defense like this?

[TheRumGone]

 

[FootballMaestro]

You clowns were one first down from being swept.

Tony Romo, lol. When's the last time Romo flat out embarrassed your defense like this?

 

He's right though (even though it's clear to see he joined, to get in on his side of the action). 

 

Fumbles and interceptions, have noting to do with coaching (though it can be). 

 

However,  poor clock management, defensive adjustment, halftime decision making, offensive philosophy, player preparation, game time play calling, paucity of Defensive INT's, etc..,  certainly does.

 

Are you there Ron Rivera!!???