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The Thing People are Forgetting About Cam vs Other Young QBs...

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Of course it does. WRs not getting separation/open, and linemen not maintaining their blocks long enough are going to affect his performance. He's either going to force plays or hesitate, like we saw on sunday. This is football 101.

WR have and ARE getting open.  He either holds the ball to long or completely missing them, and not by a finger tip.  O-Line does need work but his forte out of college was being a mobile QB; he doesn't look that mobile.  And you act like this has only been happening for one game?  Really?

 

Cam Newton, believe it or not, is not the most hurried OR sacked QB in the league this year.  I know reading these forums would lead you to believe that but he isn't.  Again, the O-Line does need work, but this isn't something that the Panthers and their QB have to deal with.  

 

I would like to thank you for your lesson however

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Like Eli Manning (0-5)?

And Ben Roethlisberger (0-4)?

And Philip Rivers (2-3)?

And RG3 (1-3)?

And Matt Ryan (1-4)?

Or is there some reason they don't count?

Did you really mean to post this?  Are you really wanting to compare Wins and Losses of any of thess QB with the wins and losses of Cam.

 

I think i see your point, THIS year those teams aren't doing to well, but look at the overall picture of those QB vs Cams record in the NFL; please tell me you aren't being serious with this post...

 

Hint for you, this isn't Supermans first losing season...he is heavily in the mist of his 3rd in a row.

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WR have and ARE getting open. He either holds the ball to long or completely missing them, and not by a finger tip. O-Line does need work but his forte out of college was being a mobile QB; he doesn't look that mobile. And you act like this has only been happening for one game? Really?

Cam Newton, believe it or not, is not the most hurried OR sacked QB in the league this year. I know reading these forums would lead you to believe that but he isn't. Again, the O-Line does need work, but this isn't something that the Panthers and their QB have to deal with.

I would like to thank you for your lesson however

So why doesn't Ron bench him then?

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Did you really mean to post this?  Are you really wanting to compare Wins and Losses of any of thess QB with the wins and losses of Cam.

 

I think i see your point, THIS year those teams aren't doing to well, but look at the overall picture of those QB vs Cams record in the NFL; please tell me you aren't being serious with this post...

 

Hint for you, this isn't Supermans first losing season...he is heavily in the mist of his 3rd in a row.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Look at all the receiving weapons that Matt Ryan has. Yet his team currently sits at 1-4.

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So why doesn't Ron bench him then?

 

Well he certainly gives us the best chance to win, we don't have a better option on the team but that doesn't mean we should be able to look at him, or anyone, critically and it be ok.  I don't know if it is coaching, inability to learn, unwillingness to learn, or just plan stubbornness but he doesn't seem to be correcting any of the mistakes he has been making since he was a rookie.  If I remember correctly there use to be a saying around the NFL that you would know what you have in a QB in year 3, well this is his make or break year and so far it is looking like the same ole same ole.  

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Did you really mean to post this?  Are you really wanting to compare Wins and Losses of any of thess QB with the wins and losses of Cam.

 

I think i see your point, THIS year those teams aren't doing to well, but look at the overall picture of those QB vs Cams record in the NFL; please tell me you aren't being serious with this post...

 

Hint for you, this isn't Supermans first losing season...he is heavily in the mist of his 3rd in a row.

 

i think the point was even great QBs can have losing seasons?

 

other things obviously matter, it's not all on the QB.

 

you seem to be very dense.

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What the hell are you talking about?

 

Look at all the receiving weapons that Matt Ryan has. Yet his team currently sits at 1-4.

 

So Matty Ice has one position that is worth a damn and that should make the team glorious?  Doesn't matter that the D sucks and other teams rush for nearly 500 yards on them or passed for almost 1400 yards...in other words they couldn't stop me or you.

 

Oh and until last night they didn't' have a running back that avg more that 2.7 yards per carry

 

I will give you that he has only been sacked 9 times to Cams 15 but not sure how much of that is Matty throuwing the ball away when he knows he is getting sacked; because he is pressured a lot.

 

And what I'm talking about is the overall wins of each of those QB he listed vs the overall wins of Cam Newton since he seemed to want to through this years states ONLY up in a win / lose situation when we all know that good QB, like those, do and have found ways to win.  In this example he didn't get Matty Ice as a nickname because he choked in 4th quarters.

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So Matty Ice has one position that is worth a damn and that should make the team glorious?  Doesn't matter that the D sucks and other teams rush for nearly 500 yards on them or passed for almost 1400 yards...in other words they couldn't stop me or you.

 

Oh and until last night they didn't' have a running back that avg more that 2.7 yards per carry

 

I will give you that he has only been sacked 9 times to Cams 15 but not sure how much of that is Matty throuwing the ball away when he knows he is getting sacked; because he is pressured a lot.

 

And what I'm talking about is the overall wins of each of those QB he listed vs the overall wins of Cam Newton since he seemed to want to through this years states ONLY up in a win / lose situation when we all know that good QB, like those, do and have found ways to win.  In this example he didn't get Matty Ice as a nickname because he choked in 4th quarters.

 

 

Oh, now you want to make excuses for a quarterback that you have nothing against huh?

 

Clearly you are just a troll.

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Well he certainly gives us the best chance to win, we don't have a better option on the team but that doesn't mean we should be able to look at him, or anyone, critically and it be ok. I don't know if it is coaching, inability to learn, unwillingness to learn, or just plan stubbornness but he doesn't seem to be correcting any of the mistakes he has been making since he was a rookie. If I remember correctly there use to be a saying around the NFL that you would know what you have in a QB in year 3, well this is his make or break year and so far it is looking like the same ole same ole.

Missing open receivers isn't a cam/bad qb thing. Most qbs miss open guys, even Brady.

As for footwork/mechanics, these are all coachable. Right now Cam's offensive coaches are a guy who had an abysmal stint as OC in the 90s and a guy that has never been a coach at any level of football until this year.

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i think the point was even great QBs can have losing seasons?

 

other things obviously matter, it's not all on the QB.

 

you seem to be very dense.

Do any of those QB have 3 losing seasons in a row?

 

You right, I was just looking at QB like Brady who really has never had any weapons besides one for more than 2 years and wins all the time, or Manning who you can put anywhere and he will win.  Or Rodgers who hasn't had a decent running back or anything besides Driver at WR...You know, GOOD QB's

 

Sorry for being so Dense

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Missing open receivers isn't a cam/bad qb thing. Most qbs miss open guys, even Brady.

As for footwork/mechanics, these are all coachable. Right now Cam's offensive coaches are a guy who had an abysmal stint as OC in the 90s and a guy that has never been a coach at any level of football until this year.

I agree, it is coachable, but that is my question and where I'm lost.  Those issues are issues that he has supposedly been working on since he got in the league.  Is it the coaches who fail to coach him or is it him?  Everyone keeps blaming the coaches and the scheme and this and that but is that truly it?  And yes, everyone misses passes now and then but I highly doubt anyone can argue against Cams accuracy not being that great.  And where all of these post started form, someone ask if he was better today then he was when get started.

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Do any of those QB have 3 losing seasons in a row?

 

You right, I was just looking at QB like Brady who really has never had any weapons besides one for more than 2 years and wins all the time, or Manning who you can put anywhere and he will win.  Or Rodgers who hasn't had a decent running back or anything besides Driver at WR...You know, GOOD QB's

 

Sorry for being so Dense

 

well aside from everything you said being entirely inaccurate, why are you comparing cam newton, a 3rd year dual threat qb, to 3 hall of fame qbs and 3 of the best qbs in history?

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