I know a lot of us dislike A.luck...

[footballisasport]

This person doesn't dislike Luck. This person dislikes the way today's sports media goes about still defining these players by categorizing them and then dictating to us how to perceive them based on nothing more than stereotyping, biases, and very controlled levels of scrutiny. Even worst is the level today's media will go to force me into buying their false perception of these players by constantly using buzz words such as "elite," "franchise" and even "BUST." And when they are not actually using those words directly on today's QBs, they are automatically aligning them with the success or failures of other QBs so as to create a mental picture of how they want us to see them. That is why Cam was automatically aligned with Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell. The two most famous black QBs who were made to epitomize extreme failure among QBs. Was the alignment intentional? YES! Even worst is the falsity behind the perception of those two QBs that many still blindly believe and push to this day. 

 

I am also forced to categorize today's QBs. Despite the false belief that racism in the NFL is dead, today's QBs are still broken down, albeit subtle, into two categories, black and white or the more modern terms "mobile" QBs, vs. "traditional" QBs. But since it seems okay to have some mobility, many of today's white QBs also get credited with having different degrees of mobility. The difference is, with the black QBs it's made to be seen as their first instinct, while the whites, it's an option that goes along with their other "natural talent." Interestingly enough, I am never made to see today's black QBs as "traditional." It's like a sacred  image only reserved for white QBs.  

 

Is Luck good? YES! But so is Dalton, Cam, Russel, Colin, and many others who are not made to be seen as good as him by design. To pick and choose what and how we're to see today's QBs based on very selective and measure narratives screams CONTROLLING! IMO...

 

When Cam's name comes up and folks like Mike Mayock, Charlie Casserly, and a whole list of others so called football experts, an extreme majority of them white,  go out of their way to demean, pick apart, and humiliate this kid, while forcing him to be and do whatever they want him too because they can; and because they refuse to respect his natural gifts and what he brings to the game of football, sends a very loud and clear message to someone like myself..."We are in CONTROL" and can do still treat these NFL players as we please; including invite blatant discrimination against hm. 

 

On top of that, those same predominately white, so called football experts will turn around and not only try to align Luck with Cam in the talent and athletics department but go out of their way to elevate him pass the the other white and more successful QBs, who they themselves hold in very high regard as the best in the league, by doing nothing more than controlling how he's being projected.  Why? Because they CAN.

 

Also, I will not kid myself, the NFL is still the way it is because sports media knows that many of today's football fans still want to hold onto their prejudices, biases, and discriminating views of these players. And someone as average a QB as Luck being elevated to appear as the next coming of the greatest QB ever by today's sports media, is a whole lot more easier to digest than that of someone like Cam. Many of you would much rather debate Luck's greatness against those of his own kind than have to admit that someone like Cam, and or Russell is just as good if not better than him. That attitude is reflected right here on this site.

 

[Evengelion]

You didn't know a potential #1 pick could talk to an NFL owner?

 

Dude, seriously, just give it a rest.

 

Of course, but I did mention specifically parents. Not just parent but parent of draftee who chooses to stay in school. I'm wondering if Mariota's parents were on the phone explaining to the Texans his reasoning for staying in school.

[Mr. Scot]

Of course, but I did mention specifically parents. Not just parent but parent of draftee who chooses to stay in school. I'm wondering if Mariota's parents were on the phone explaining to the Texans his reasoning for staying in school.

The 'parent' here is the athletic director of a major university.

Here's a thought: Instead of going emo over a QB that isn't even in our conference getting positive attention, how about enjoying the playoffs (especially the fact that we're in them).

The level to which this bothers you is silly.

[Evengelion]

The 'parent' here is the athletic director of a major university.

Here's a thought: Instead of going emo over a QB that isn't even in our conference getting positive attention, how about enjoying the playoffs (especially the fact that we're in them).

The level to which this bothers you is silly.

That's the point you tried to ignore the entire time.

 

Well if that positive attention he is getting is on my team's forum I'm allowed to go ape poo on it. If this were the Colts' forum(whatever it's called) your point would be valid. By this thread "I know a lot of us dislike A.luck..." being in the my page of a panther specific forum, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[Mr. Scot]

That's the point you tried to ignore the entire time.

Well if that positive attention he is getting is on my team's forum I'm allowed to go ape poo on it. If this were the Colts' forum(whatever it's called) your point would be valid. By this thread "I know a lot of us dislike A.luck..." being in the my page of a panther specific forum, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Not 'trying to ignore' the point. Making a statement that 'the point' is stupid.

This is really that big a deal to you? Seriously?

Well then knock yourself out, kid. Me? I'm going to sit back and enjoy some playoff football without having a seizure every time somebody says something positive about another team's quarterback.

[LA_Panther]

Luck is an awesome player. With all props to him, if you give up a 28 pt lead in the playoffs you are hot garbage. KC blew it

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

luck is going to be a nightmare in this league if he's not already

 

i'm talking almost as bad as reading posts from his nutswingers on this board

[Evengelion]

Andrew Luck, the Michael Jordan of football.

This won't end too well.

[juliansever00]

Andrew Luck, the Michael Jordan of football.

This won't end too well.

 

hahaha, man this guy is overrated

[Evengelion]

hahaha, man this guy is overrated

You're not kidding! Wait till his division get harder and he continues to struggle, that Jordan talking will come back to hunt him.

[footballisasport]

In all honesty, after watching the Panthers wring every once of talent out of Cam to help their offense, while you fans keep expecting more and more out of him and so little out of the other players, I would say, if Luck had chosen to enter the draft in 2011 and was picked by the Panthers, he would end up going to route of Jimmy Clausen by now. For as much as those in the media want to convince everyone that Luck is equal to Cam because of the physics and supposed equal talents, they are indeed different between the ears. It's clear to see which kid was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth and which one had to learn from his mistakes and bust his ass to succeed. Which kid seriously knows how to take a team on his back and carry them to victory and which one needs to have a team built around him but gets all the praise for being that way after his team wins. It's clear to see the kid who many believe ridiculing and criticizing his every move is what is needed to make him supposedly "stronger and more mature" QB and which one will never be treated that way because it will affect his mental state. 

[Rise of The Hive]

Fug him

[teeray]

I was hopeful we would get Luck when we got the #1 pick. I was dissapointed when he returned to Stanford. But the only reason I was dissapointed was because I didn't think Hurney would have the stones to draft Cam Newton and we badly, badly, badly needed a QB.

I never begrudged Luck personally about it though. I felt from the beginning that Newton had the highest ceiling of any QB to come out in a while. I also felt Luck had the lowest floor. In other words, at worst Luck was going yo be a Matt Ryan level QB.

But I wanted either/or and got Cam.

Luck seems like s nice enough guy, like The Golden Calf of Bristol, but the media hype that built through Luck's last season at Stanford really made it harder to root for the guy. The pre-draft hype was even more rediculous. And since he has been drafted he has continued to be overrated.

My point of contention is with the media. Not Luck himself nor Luck the football player.

[Evengelion]

In all honesty, after watching the Panthers wring every once of talent out of Cam to help their offense, while you fans keep expecting more and more out of him and so little out of the other players, I would say, if Luck had chosen to enter the draft in 2011 and was picked by the Panthers, he would end up going to route of Jimmy Clausen by now. For as much as those in the media want to convince everyone that Luck is equal to Cam because of the physics and supposed equal talents, they are indeed different between the ears. It's clear to see which kid was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth and which one had to learn from his mistakes and bust his ass to succeed. Which kid seriously knows how to take a team on his back and carry them to victory and which one needs to have a team built around him but gets all the praise for being that way after his team wins. It's clear to see the kid who many believe ridiculing and criticizing his every move is what is needed to make him supposedly "stronger and more mature" QB and which one will never be treated that way because it will affect his mental state. 

Andrew Luck is just a marketing strategy. The NFL has a specific image it wants to sell and project, Luck just fit that image. They're just looking for people who fits that image. Since Peyton, Brees, and Tom are bound for retirement Luck is just a contestant and they'll ride him until they find the next guy who fits it to pass the bucket to. This is not about football nor sport.

 

I remember listening to an interview of a guy who used to work for ESPN and what he was saying is that they encouraged them to say the word T.Ebow in all their broadcast. The more the merrier. This is the same thing. It's all subliminal. You say it enough and get 2 of 1000 idiots to believe it, then it's a success. Kind of like the 419 scam. Send enough spam to people's inbox you'll get 4-5 morons out of 1000 to click and follow up with it. The media is not an intelligent entity. They're just playing the numbers game. If you include Luck in conversation about great people then he must be relevant, right?!

 

What, did you think the NFL was going to relinquish its All-American boy image to Cam!?