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Gettleman Made Nicks an Offer, But Nicks Says, "It Wasn't The Right Situation."

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So, let me re-phrase that.

 

"We're a team in transition this year."

 

Feel better?

 

We're not a team in transition, though, so why would he say that?

 

It's illogical.

 

"Hey we're the NFCS champions and we want you to fill our biggest hole but LOL WE'RE IN TRANSITION :D"

 

That makes no sense. 

 

More likely: "We're constrained by our salary cap in FA signings.  We've got a lot of holes, so we may not be able to offer you what you feel you're worth, because we have to address other needs, as well."  

 

This is NOT a bad team right now.  We're NOT rebuilding, we're NOT in transition.  We have big holes, but most of our losses are people we can and will replace, and it's totally illogical to tell one of those pieces that we're going to lose anyway.

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Did I say "I wanna lose games" anywhere in my post? Please, go back through it. Read it. Tell me how many times I mentioned I wanna lose games. I'm going to be waiting until next offseason, in case it troubles you too much.

What I said was Gettleman could obviously not be focused on winning this year. This is a year to move cap space, draft/play prospects, and get better for the future. If we win, we win. But it's going to come with bumps and bruises.

Not focusing on winning games is the same poo as wanting to lose games.

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This is a lot more likely... I actually think releasing Smith hurt us more here than helped us.

A lot of young wrs that has expressed interest in Carolina always listed Steve Smith as a reason. A lot of young players at the position idolized Smitty and wanted to learn from him. Take that away and well...

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Wow, didn't see the next tweet.  Why would we "agree" it wasn't the best situation with him?  LOL...

 

We probably "agreed" it wasn't the best situation when we offered less money than he wanted in a long-term deal.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a performance-laden contract that would have allowed Nicks to shine if he wanted and he got scared off a little by the lack of options other than him.

 

That sounds like a real possibility.

 

The full translation likely would have been that Gettleman didn't really want him that badly, and given that he'd be in a position to know (between his own personal experience and contact with his old friends at the Giants) it's very likely that a deal based heavily on incentives or simply a contract offer a lot less than what Nicks wanted could have been "agreeing it wasn't the best situation".

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uhh nope.

 

sorry.

 

no GM would ever tell a player, "We're not looking to win this season."  That's not how any conversation would go.  The GM would be instantly fired.  Especially coming off a contender like we are.

 

It's certainly possible that is the feeling that Nicks got from the conversation if they talked about other FA targets.

 

But remember what we filled in last year and how we did.  So, I'm not terribly panicked just yet. Waiting for the draft.

 

If we draft RBs and DTs I'm going to kill someone, though.

 

The whole notion is pretty stupid.

 

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Wow...  Full quotes from the blog, and my interpretation, although I've been informed this morning that I'm not allowed to have one, is that we made the larger offer (most likely what was reported yesterday at 4.5M), and yet, Nicks and Gettleman agreed he should go to the Colts...

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2014/03/hakeem-nicks-charlotte-carolina-panthers-colts-contract-dave-gettleman.html


“Yeah they made an offer when I talked to (Panthers general manager) Dave Gettleman,” Nicks said. “But you know it just didn’t pan out the right way. I feel like this is the best fit for me.”

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“After talking to Gettleman I think he agreed that this was the best situation for me too even though they made the offer,” Nicks said. “Like I said I feel like I made the best decision and I’m ready to make the best of it.”

Nicks said he believes he’s the missing piece to the Colts’ puzzle in an attempt to reach the Super Bowl next season.

 

And I won't talk about my opinions on how prior moves affected this, as I've been informed by several angry huddlers that my opinion isn't welcome there either, but I think you can read between the lines in his responses.  We kind of shot ourselves in the foot.

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Wow... Full quotes from the blog, and my interpretation, although I've been informed this morning that I'm not allowed to have one, is that we made the larger offer (most likely what was reported yesterday at 4.5M), and yet, Nicks and Gettleman agreed he should go to the Colts...

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2014/03/hakeem-nicks-charlotte-carolina-panthers-colts-contract-dave-gettleman.html

And I won't talk about my opinions on how prior moves affected this, as I've been informed by several angry huddlers that my opinion isn't welcome there either, but I think you can read between the lines in his responses. We kind of shot ourselves in the foot.

So basically exactly what I said. Nicks stated from Day 1 that he wanted to be the missing piece to a teams puzzle. Letting Ginn walk, and cutting Steve Smith changed that into him needing to be a savior. If Smith and Ginn were on the roster today, Nicks would be a panther, period.

I'm going to start calling it the "Smitty Effect"

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Wow...  Full quotes from the blog, and my interpretation, although I've been informed this morning that I'm not allowed to have one, is that we made the larger offer (most likely what was reported yesterday at 4.5M), and yet, Nicks and Gettleman agreed he should go to the Colts...

 

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2014/03/hakeem-nicks-charlotte-carolina-panthers-colts-contract-dave-gettleman.html

 

And I won't talk about my opinions on how prior moves affected this, as I've been informed by several angry huddlers that my opinion isn't welcome there either, but I think you can read between the lines in his responses.  We kind of shot ourselves in the foot.

 

If the GM "agrees that you should go somewhere else", that pretty much translates to "I don't want you here".

 

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