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McNabb weighs in on our lack of a threat at WR (via D. Newton)


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oh man, you and your fanboy clones. Why are you giving DG time to prove himself? just stop already, you really embarrassing yourselves and Panther nation.

 

based on my sample size of one draft and one FA period that helped bolster an elite defense and led to a 12-4 record i think it's safe to conclude that he's an idiot and has no idea what he's doing.

 

i mean have you seen our FA signings?  it doesn't match up with my personal free agency wish list so i'm going to hop on over to the huddle and circle jerk with brooklyn bully and aceboogie and go "lol gettlemagic if the panthers signed (x washed up player that someone else signed) everybody would be posting about how we're going 16-0 lmao"

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Then the next post you talk about how you bitched about a sucky offense last pre-season. The WR's that left aren't worth what they recently got. We've made room to rebuild the WR corps. I'd prefer to get the draft and pre-season in before I bitch about weapons.

Based on their production last season each signed a fair deal. Especially Smitty, since we are paying him more than the Ravens.

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The question was big time playmaking receiving options not #1 receivers. If you're a DC and you're sleeping easy rather than preparing for guys (Brown and Nelson) who combined for over 2800 yards and 16 TDs last year I imagine you won't be the DC very long.

 

Also yes Gronk is a TE, no he's not like Olsen.

 

The thread title says "lack of threat at WR" and that's the discussion.

 

Pretty much everybody acknowledges that Olsen is a threat.  He may not be Gronkowski (though I'd point out he's more likely to stay healthy than Gronkowski) but he's a legit threat.  What everyone is whining about is our wide receiver corps.

 

And no, I don't worry that much about those guys.  The offenses they play in are effective, but these guys are far from gamebreakers.  If you wanna go by stats, then Harry Douglas, Julian Edelman and Kendall Wright were all better receivers than Larry Fitzgerland last year.  Do you think that's a defendable assertion?

 

While we're at it, how effective would you find an offense where the top receiving threat gained less than 900 yards and only scored 5 touchdowns on the season?  Does that sound like an offense to be afraid of?

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I have to disagree with you a little here.  

 

It will pretty much be my contention forever that the Pats' inability to keep Brady a big play threat over the years has cost them a couple of championships.

 

Like it or not, Golden Tate is a legit play maker. I think that he is woefully undervalued (as well as Doug Baldwin), and you will see this even more now that he is playing in an offense that will air the ball out.  Now, granted your response wasn't to this argument, but I am confident that a team can win a Super Bowl with guys that don't have to be so-called No. 1 receivers, but legitimate play makers that can burn you by putting up No. 1 like numbers on any given Sunday. Guys like Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson are prefect examples.  Cobb was hurt the lion's share of last season, and Nelson pretty much rose to the occasion. Speaking of rising to the occasion, Antonio Brown put up significant numbers as the "top dog" that McNabb says every team needs (not that Brown was chopped liver in the first place). 

 

Lastly, it's not like these teams are necessarily going to rest on their laurels offensively.  The Steelers are reportedly considering adding a receiving threat (maybe Kelvin Benjamin), and Seattle is not only counting on Harvin to be healthy this year, they are also trying to bring Sidney Rice back into the fold. The Seahawks and Pats were interested in 89, so don't be surprised to see them draft a threat at wide-out. The Pats are reportedly interested in some of the very same receivers that we are, as well as Mike Evans.  And, like I alluded to earlier, the Packers have two legitimate threats at receiver already.

 

As someone else pointed out, Brady has a 'big play threat', just not at receiver.  He actually had two such threats before Hernandez' stupidity caught up with him (no one knew just how big a threat he really was).

 

Golden Tate is not somebody I'd be afraid of as an opponent.

 

And I'm pretty sure the Panthers are looking at adding receiving help too.

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and while we're discussing time travel let's assume that every team in the league knows what they know now about all the players that were picked in the first round and get a nice do-over on the 2013 draft.

does star go lower than hopkins this time?

Does Keenan Allen?

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As someone else pointed out, Brady has a 'big play threat', just not at receiver. He actually had two such threats before Hernandez' stupidity caught up with him (no one knew just how big a threat he really was).

Golden Tate is not somebody I'd be afraid of as an opponent.

And I'm pretty sure the Panthers are looking at adding receiving help too.

One thing people forget about the Patriots is they seem to have a really good system where they can get away with not having a big name WR. Who here thinks Shula is capable of that? Even still, Brady has stilled had weapons like Gronk and AH prior to last season. His numbers took a huge dip because of the lack of talent at WR last season.

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One thing people forget about the Patriots is they seem to have a really good system where they can get away with not having a big name WR. Who here thinks Shula is capable of that? Even still, Brady has stilled had weapons like Gronk and AH prior to last season. His numbers took a huge dip because of the lack of talent at WR last season.

 

How'd that team up in the Pacific Northwest do without a big time receiving threat?

 

 

In a draft redo, Keenan Allen is a top 5 pick.

 

And in the original, he might have been one of us, had we possessed a third round pick.

 

Shame Gettleman traded that pick away, huh? :unsure:

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Lol no he isn't.

You think our run defense goes from being in the 20s to 2nd?

How about how Hardy exploded with Star next to him or Kuechly winning DPOTY.

Keenan Allen had a better rookie season than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Dez Bryant and Julio Jones.

Umm yea I think id take him top 5 in a draft redo.

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