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Some people will really look at stuff like this and say "no more excuses" but then make excuses to try and explain away the validity of big-time throws. Back on topic though, as I mentioned in the other AT thread earlier, I hope that the team is still exploring the deal. If the Vikings want the Panthers to take on some of the salary, then it had better be at worst a 4th-round pick (though I imagine Dan angling for a 3rd). If they're willing to take on all of it, then maybe at worst a 5th. Tough pill to swallow, giving up a 4th for a 35yr old WR, but if MIN believes they can have similar success behind McCarthy then it could be a smart deal for them. Hell, if AT has any gas in the tank and gives them a 1yr sweetheart deal to close out at home, even better for Minnesota. Yea, Bryce loses his best and most reliable WR. Hunter Renfrow though isn't what I would call a huge step down though (if he's as advertised throughout camp), and it gives more reps to TMac + XL + Coker. This season is all about continued development and answering some of the looming questions (Is Bryce the guy? Is Evero the DC going fwd? How do the young WRs develop? How long does it take this defense to bounce back from being historically awful?).

I know that there's been some water tossed on the fire, but I do hope that both teams are exploring the move still. On one hand, it would suck for Bryce to lose his most trusted WR and a super solid veteran for the young guys to learn better technique from. On the other, if Hunter Renfrow is good to go, he can take that slot spot over and read defenses with Bryce like AT does. Hunter was a high school QB iirc, so he'd be a reliable safety net in the slot. Getting compensation for a 35yr old WR on the last year of his deal and having minimal drop off in production (while also giving more reps to the two first round picks) during a year that seems to be universally understood as the "Is Bryce for real?" season seems like a great move imo, especially if it allows the team to keep everyone else.

There are definitely people in the Panthers front office that play fantasy football and cannot wait for Lathan Ransom to de-cleat Kyle Pitts every play for his lack of production.

Cannot wait to see what Princely does as a pass rush specialist this season.

How in the world are folks not getting open because of Bryce when he was sacked for what was then the 2nd most times a rookie QB had been sacked (until Caleb Williams)? He got sacked 50+ times behind a 6th and 7th string guard duo. Dalton played one good game against the RAIDERS? The same Andy Dalton that people are ready to take out behind the barn and put down so that they can have a UDFA QB in the room that won't be on a roster next season? I get that Aidan O'Connell is some Huddlers' favorite QB, but Jesus... Again: What is the acceptable floor for a rookie QB with 6th & 7th string starting guards, a group of weapons where the only player getting open is 33yrs old, and the coaching staff switched the offense up three times in their first year? Why is it that I keep getting excuses instead of numbers in response to that?

Frank Reich had 3 timeouts and got the ball back with just over 2min left and the game tied at 20. On 2nd and 7, he calls back-to-back passing plays instead of a screen or a run to wind down the clock. They punted to Hawai'i who was sitting on two timeouts. Reich sat on all 3 timeouts once Hawai'i got into field goal range which allowed them to kill clock and kick the game winning FG. This was the offensive guru that switched the offense on a rookie QB twice. I'm gonna need some of the "no excuses" crowd to keep that energy for themselves this season if Bryce keeps looking like he did post benching.

What is the acceptable floor for a rookie QB with 6th & 7th string starting guards, a group of weapons where the only player getting open is 33yrs old, and the coaching staff switched the offense up three times in their first year?

Falcons QB Ben DiNucci RB Elijah Dotson WR Jesse Matthews WR Quincy Skinner Jr. TE Nikola Kalinic OL Matthew Cindric DL Morgan Fox Edge Ronnie Perkins LB Caleb Johnson LB Nick Kubitz CB Lamar Jackson S Josh Thompson Jets WR Dymere Miller WR Ontaria Wilson TE Neal Johnson OT Samuel Jackson DL Fatorma Mulbah DT Phidarian Mathis DB Ryan Cooper Jr. DB Mario Goodrich

Ball game. College football, I have missed you so.

WR: Nico, Woods, Tank (R) TE: Schultz OL: Tunsil/Howard/Deiter/Mason/Fant vs. WR: Chark, Thielen, Mingo (R) TE: Hurst OL: Icky/Zavala (R)/Bozeman/Jensen (R)/Moton Panthers' had the better OL before losing BC week 1 and AC week 4 which is kind of ironic considering how in the following year DB went down in W1 and Shaq in W4 resulting in the defense going all to Hell. CJ has done amazing in Houston, but he also wasn't asked to carry Zavala, Jensen, Mingo, Hurst, and Chark as a rookie. Him and Bryce both got their vets (Woods/Thielen), but their WR1s (Nico vs. Chark) and rookie WRs (Tank vs. Mingo) couldn't have been further apart.

It's football. I'll take it!

Holy poo Is it raining grease? Neither team can hold on to the ball.