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Panthers 2014 Free Agents

Sep 18 2013 10:10 AM Kurb Carolina Panthers
Bold means likely kept.-- As in a player that should likely have reasonable contract demands and/or has performed well enough for the Panthers to want to keep them.

Italics up for debate.-- A player that could be kept for a majority of reasons OR no kept for a majority of reasons.

StrikeThrough means likely cut/released/not-resigned/already gone.


Derek Anderson QB UFA Panthers TBD --
Colin Cole DT UFA Panthers TBD --
Graham Gano K UFA Panthers TBD --
Ted Ginn Jr. WR UFA Panthers TBD --
Jordan Gross LT, T UFA Panthers TBD --
Captain Munnerlyn CB UFA Panthers TBD --
Richie Brockel FB RFA Panthers TBD --
Ben Hartsock TE UFA Panthers TBD --
Mike Mitchell S UFA Panthers TBD--



Jeff Byers C RFA Panthers TBD --
Greg Hardy DE UFA Panthers TBD --
Brandon LaFell WR RFA Panthers TBD --
Quintin Mikell S UFA Panthers TBD --
Chris Scott G RFA Panthers TBD --
Jordan Senn OLB, LB UFA Panthers TBD --
Travelle Wharton G UFA Panthers TBD --


Bruce Campbell RT, T UFA Panthers TBD --
Jimmy Clausen QB UFA Panthers TBD --
James Dockery CB UFA Panthers TBD --
Armanti Edwards WR RFA Panthers TBD --
Brian Folkerts C ERFA Panthers TBD --
Darvin Adams WR RFA Panthers TBD --
D.J. Moore CB UFA Panthers TBD --
Jon Beason OLB, LB UFA Panthers TBD --
Garry Williams G RFA Panthers TBD --
Byron Bell RT, T RFA Panthers TBD --

Domenik Hixon WR UFA Panthers TBD --

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Why would Alexander be gone?

He's been in the doghouse all year.

He's been in the doghouse all year.

 

Frank Alexander? He's under his rookie contract through 2015, his cap hit is minimal, and we need the depth. He's not going anywhere.


Derek Anderson QB UFA Panthers TBD -- Could count as 555k cap hit (actually recieves ~840k) with a vet discount so why not, he's 30yo

Colin Cole DT UFA Panthers TBD -- same as DA, he's 33yo now so he's not going to count more than 555k against the cap. why not?

Graham Gano K UFA Panthers TBD -- def a keeper (1.8M - 2.5M first year contract cap hit)

Ted Ginn Jr. WR UFA Panthers TBD -- a keeper, not sure what he would command (2M-3M hopefully?)

Jordan Gross LT, T UFA Panthers TBD -- Corey Joel mentioned you could lift the void from his contract for this coming year (he would earn $3M, 1M is from his salary, 2M is from a 2014 roster bonus). This would pay him well and for 2014 his cap impact would only move up from 5.6M (this is taken even if he doesn't come back) to 5.9M (he gets paid 3M, we only increase our cap 300k).

Captain Munnerlyn CB UFA Panthers TBD -- depends on the price, and the fan. love him or hate him he's still valuable

Richie Brockel FB RFA Panthers TBD -- 27yo. Small portion of our offense. Another 1 year deal of 555k if he's desired (UDFA Zordich from 13' is waiting in the wings for only 496k)

Ben Hartsock TE UFA Panthers TBD -- probably another year at 620k (actually recieves about 900K, but we benefite with the vet discount

Mike Mitchell S UFA Panthers TBD-- made 725k this year. backload a contract and start his cap hit small for these next 2 years (2-3M hit in 14




Jeff Byers C RFA Panthers TBD -- The team likes him as depth, minimum salary either way. 700-900k hit
Greg Hardy DE UFA Panthers TBD -- the elephant in the room. it comes down to can we afford him in our 3 and 5 year cap plan that DG spoke of. if it works out with an extension then it would have to be back loaded. restructures with kalil, oslen and big$ will free up more cap space to perhaps get a deal done, but I'm just not sure and of course he is the most debatable FA right now for us.
Brandon LaFell WR RFA Panthers TBD -- likely costs us a 2M cap hit this year if brought back
Quintin Mikell S UFA Panthers TBD -- Solid contributing vet, had a good year. Look what happened when he came out vs SF and Lester came in. Vet discount for us, he'd likely hit our cap at 650k and you can't go wrong at what he brings us at that price
Chris Scott G RFA Panthers TBD -- another league minimum guy. sign him now and let him compete in TC. 600-800K hit
Jordan Senn OLB, LB UFA Panthers TBD -- Colin Jones seemed to be a bigger impact guy on ST's but he is another Vet Discount guy, so at 620k cap hit, why not bring back our Special Teams caption?
Travelle Wharton G UFA Panthers TBD -- He's 32yo, and we have KGB and Silatolu (maybe even Garry Williams) coming back fom injury. I'm not sure what his future is, but hopefully we can get him on a 620k (where he makes around 900k) Vets Discount.



Bruce Campbell RT, T UFA Panthers TBD -- we traded for him.. i think he'll be signed for TC at a minimum salary unless his injuries are something the club wants to stay away from.

Jimmy Clausen QB UFA Panthers TBD -- who?

James Dockery CB UFA Panthers TBD -- league minimum salary, battle in TC.

Armanti Edwards WR RFA Panthers TBD -- who?

Brian Folkerts C ERFA Panthers TBD -- they liked this guy enough to keep him around all year, pretty sure he's get a league min and we'll see him in TC

Darvin Adams WR RFA Panthers TBD -- Joey? TC would be his only shot, don't think he's given a call

D.J. Moore CB UFA Panthers TBD -- not sure what's up with him, TC would be my guess.

Jon Beason OLB, LB UFA Panthers TBD --

Garry Williams G RFA Panthers TBD -- they've liked him this long, and enough to declare him the starter at the beginning of the year. he comes in a league minimum and depth at RT and RG

Byron Bell RT, T RFA Panthers TBD -- costs little as a backup. I know he sucks but we need 53 contracts on the books and why not take someone who's been around for 4 years as a last resort player assuming we can't get someone in FA or in the draft. get him for this year.. i know we want pro bowl linemen at every spot NOW but it won't happen in 1 year

Domenik Hixon WR UFA Panthers TBD -- would probably cost us around that 1.2M range again. i'm just not sure since we didn't see a whole lot out of him as a #3.

Awesome analysis, the main question really is can we make those signing, retain the Kraken, and resign Cam before his rookie contract runs out?

 

Derek Anderson QB UFA Panthers TBD -- Could count as 555k cap hit (actually recieves ~840k) with a vet discount so why not, he's 30yo

Colin Cole DT UFA Panthers TBD -- same as DA, he's 33yo now so he's not going to count more than 555k against the cap. why not?

Graham Gano K UFA Panthers TBD -- def a keeper (1.8M - 2.5M first year contract cap hit)

Ted Ginn Jr. WR UFA Panthers TBD -- a keeper, not sure what he would command (2M-3M hopefully?)
Jordan Gross LT, T UFA Panthers TBD -- Corey Joel mentioned you could lift the void from his contract for this coming year (he would earn $3M, 1M is from his salary, 2M is from a 2014 roster bonus). This would pay him well and for 2014 his cap impact would only move up from 5.6M (this is taken even if he doesn't come back) to 5.9M (he gets paid 3M, we only increase our cap 300k). 
Captain Munnerlyn CB UFA Panthers TBD -- depends on the price, and the fan. love him or hate him he's still valuable
Richie Brockel FB RFA Panthers TBD -- 27yo. Small portion of our offense. Another 1 year deal of 555k if he's desired (UDFA Zordich from 13' is waiting in the wings for only 496k)
Ben Hartsock TE UFA Panthers TBD -- probably another year at 620k (actually recieves about 900K, but we benefite with the vet discount
Mike Mitchell S UFA Panthers TBD-- made 725k this year. backload a contract and start his cap hit small for these next 2 years (2-3M hit in 14
 
 

 

I don't think we're interested in bringing back Colin Cole and Ben Hartsock. We have younger and cheaper replacements already on the roster. DT Linden Gaydosh would slide into the 4th DT spot and DC Jefferson is a big slow blocking TE, same as Hartsock.

Read from an interesting article a few weeks ago to what we are probably going to do:

Resign Cam this off season, we can't afford to option him and don't want to risk waiting until his contract has expired at the end of next year. We sign him to a contract that is light this year and next at around 3M guaranteed but give him a huge signing bonus that we can amortize across 10 years or so. So essentially he would make more money the next two years than his guaranteed with that signing bonus but we get I save on the cap space. This would save us 3-4M in cap space this year and we have a resigned Cam.

Restructure to free up another 5-8M. Frankly the players know the situation and have all talked about how they all want to stay together, use that along with some under performed players to restructure and free up some more.

All of a sudden our 20M looks more like 30M for next year. Beason's Dead money expires next year so most of that will be used to resign Keech. We have Cam resigned and a plan for Keech.

Resign the bold players or those similar for 16M
5M for the draft
You are left with 5-9M to sign the other 5-10 players in FA

The problem is we are left with a lot of 1 year deals like we are this year but 90% of the team is back, but I think we are looking at 10-15 1 yr players instead on 21 and we have Cam resigned.

Read from an interesting article a few weeks ago to what we are probably going to do:

Resign Cam this off season, we can't afford to option him and don't want to risk waiting until his contract has expired at the end of next year. We sign him to a contract that is light this year and next at around 3M guaranteed but give him a huge signing bonus that we can amortize across 10 years or so. So essentially he would make more money the next two years than his guaranteed with that signing bonus but we get I save on the cap space. This would save us 3-4M in cap space this year and we have a resigned Cam.

Restructure to free up another 5-8M. Frankly the players know the situation and have all talked about how they all want to stay together, use that along with some under performed players to restructure and free up some more.

All of a sudden our 20M looks more like 30M for next year. Beason's Dead money expires next year so most of that will be used to resign Keech. We have Cam resigned and a plan for Keech.

Resign the bold players or those similar for 16M
5M for the draft
You are left with 5-9M to sign the other 5-10 players in FA

The problem is we are left with a lot of 1 year deals like we are this year but 90% of the team is back, but I think we are looking at 10-15 1 yr players instead on 21 and we have Cam resigned.

Good stuff. got a link to that article?

I will see if I can dig it up, keep you posted

Frank Alexander? He's under his rookie contract through 2015, his cap hit is minimal, and we need the depth. He's not going anywhere.

Didn't know he was still under that contraact.

I don't think we're interested in bringing back Colin Cole and Ben Hartsock. We have younger and cheaper replacements already on the roster. DT Linden Gaydosh would slide into the 4th DT spot and DC Jefferson is a big slow blocking TE, same as Hartsock.

The cap hit versus these people is so tiny. I'm fine with signing and letting them battle it out in TC, but those other 2 aren't proven and ready to go yet, especially at a 200k cap hit difference.

Hardy coming up on NFL AM

You don't truly appreciate how dumb most Huddlers are until the offseason comes around.


"guys guys guys why resign Wharton when weve got garry friggin williams, save the money from that and then trade lafell for a great player, and then yeah i mean what is so difficult about all this"

Read from an interesting article a few weeks ago to what we are probably going to do:

Resign Cam this off season, we can't afford to option him and don't want to risk waiting until his contract has expired at the end of next year. We sign him to a contract that is light this year and next at around 3M guaranteed but give him a huge signing bonus that we can amortize across 10 years or so. So essentially he would make more money the next two years than his guaranteed with that signing bonus but we get I save on the cap space. This would save us 3-4M in cap space this year and we have a resigned Cam.
 

 

I'm pretty sure signing bonuses can only be amortized over 5 years. I'm absolutely certain they can't be amortized over more years than the length of the contract, and neither Cam nor any other young player is going to be signed to a 10 year deal.

Good opinion, I see us going further than 5 years if for anything to help our cap mess for the next two years

I'm pretty sure signing bonuses can only be amortized over 5 years. I'm absolutely certain they can't be amortized over more years than the length of the contract, and neither Cam nor any other young player is going to be signed to a 10 year deal.

 

I just checked. Signing bonuses are spread over 5 years or less. So it is the length of contract or 5 years, whichever is less.

 

So suggesting we could spread a hit over 10 years is just not accurate, no matter how long the contract terms are.

Thanks for the correction, again. You're right, no way we go less than 5. I still think we go more like 6 or 7, even with losing the bonus in the last couple of years. Think about it, two years from now puts us in year 3 of his contract we are looking at resigning in year 4 and if not, at least making sure we are freeing up enough cap to do so in year 5. That really only gives us one good stressless cap year. Plus spreading guaranteed money across 7 years helps the cap hit as oppose to 5. Sorry I didn't elaborate on my opinion in the last post. Has there been many QBs signed for a term of 7+ years?

Thanks for the correction, again. You're right, no way we go less than 5. I still think we go more like 6 or 7, even with losing the bonus in the last couple of years. Think about it, two years from now puts us in year 3 of his contract we are looking at resigning in year 4 and if not, at least making sure we are freeing up enough cap to do so in year 5. That really only gives us one good stressless cap year. Plus spreading guaranteed money across 7 years helps the cap hit as oppose to 5. Sorry I didn't elaborate on my opinion in the last post. Has there been many QBs signed for a term of 7+ years?

 

6 year contracts are pretty much the max. I don't know of any longer than that.

 

One way around equally spreading out bonus over 5 years is to put some "option" bonuses in around 4 or 5. So you amortize the original signing bonus over 5 years, keeping the cap hit low for the first few years, then in year 4 for example, have another bonus scheduled that is pretty much guaranteed. For example, you can include language in the contract making the year 4 bonus guaranteed if the player is on the roster day 1 of year 2. That is similar to what we did with Stewart. And while Stewart's contract is a disaster for us now, doing that with a franchise QB is much less risky/stupid than doing it with a RB for a variety of reasons.

I didnt realize that Gross was up for contract...

That really sucks. Gross is a really good Left Tackle, but he is going to have to take a discount to stay here. Maybe we can draft a new left tackle and pay gross RT money and move him over to the right side, solidifying our oline.

The bad thing about Gross is that he is on the down side of his career, and we have to worry about our younger players first. I really hope we can keep him, but we have to pay Cam, Hardy and Capt. first. We have to make these moves with the future in mind.



Considering he took a pay cut to play this year and said if he plays he will play for car I don't think we will have any trouble resigning him if that's what the team and he wants.

The cap hit versus these people is so tiny. I'm fine with signing and letting them battle it out in TC, but those other 2 aren't proven and ready to go yet, especially at a 200k cap hit difference.

valid point.

Lafell needs to go. He is not consistent enough and drops so many passes. Ginn does too but his speed is ridiculous. 

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Lafell needs to go. He is not consistent enough and drops so many passes. Ginn does too but his speed is ridiculous. 

The fact that the 49er defense was more worried about Ginn than LaFell should tell you all you need to know about these two players.

As far as WRs..

 

Re-sign Ginn and let Lafell go, even consider re-signing Hixon for cheap. Take a chance on a WR like Danario Alexander

Need to retain: Greg Hardy, Mike Mitchell, Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, Ted Ginn, and Captain Munnerlyn.

Need to gut: Jonathan Stewart and Charles Godfrey

No need to bring back: Brandon LaFail

Free agent(s) to look at: ''Jeremy Maclin'', Hakeem Nicks, Chris Clark, and ''Breno Giacomini''


We take a 5 million dollar cap hit if we cut Stewart it can't be done.
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carolina-chuck
Jan 26 2014 02:22 PM

We take a 5 million dollar cap hit if we cut Stewart it can't be done.

 

I know. It's not going to happen.

 

Dwill will most likely get the axe.