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I don’t know. The giving up 2 million dollars is a bit extreme. Who doesn’t need two million dollars? No telling how hot button this The timing of the moves with AT and then Coker is awful ‘black cat’ though. For me I didn’t expect wins and we can lose 12 without him or with him. It sort of is what it is.

There isn't 5 pages worth of discussing AT in Min. I think it just happened the normal way, someone brought up Bryce being at fault in reference to past AT/current WR performance and then the anti-Bryce contingent started in on the homers. Pretty much the usual.

Someone randomly brought up how Bryce was better than CJ lol

Wow, what a total lack of self awareness.......

Wait, how did this turn into a CJ vs. Bryce debate?

You have to score at least 1 point before you start talking trash. Sorry, I don't make the rules around here.

I still believe in him. Keep your head up.

The issue with that "lightning in a bottle" is that's too close to Dilfer/Foles/Delhomme/etc for a top 5-10 QB contract. It's crippling to the roster eventually at that price tag. It's a pricier QB purgatory. Bryce's ceiling was supposed to be a Brees type guy. Sees the field extremely well, makes quick decisions with the ball and analyzes the situation pre-snap at an elite level. None of this has transpired at all. Not to mention, his physical ceiling is far closer to a non-athletic Doug Flutie or poor man's Colt McCoy. That is not a long term NFL QB.

Sure, but again, the Vikings still put up 350+ yards of offense while putting up that 48. They were in the offensive dreamworld. See some of that 2015 Panthers game. That's when an O can really have some fun. I'm not saying TJ is great. But the Vikings actually have a TE. AT doesn't really have a place in that offense. He can't play on the outside. He isn't actually a slot WR (too slow and no YAC).

Yeah that 48 points hung was because of the defense. Wentz was more a game manager last week. TJ Hockenson hasn't done much this season either. I watched that game and the Vikings suffocated the Bengals. The defense caused 5 turnovers, one being a pick 6. I was speaking to the macrocosm not the anomaly from last week. We agree on AT’s age.

Absolutely this. And often the "great" #2 is only mediocre elsewhere. It's worth noting a good #1 also elevates those players. And imo TMac drawing coverage is going to have that effect.

to me, Trevor and CJ (what we are projecting with this post) are what people want to claim Bryce is. If you put enough talent around Trevor and CJ......you can win and compete. And I think you can. It just will be inconsistent. But w/ great talent can a Trevor or CJ get hot and make some nice runs? I think so. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. I don't think Bryce projects as that. His ceiling of play is just way too different than those types. They have tools he doesn't and their good days can just be better.

I think this is true. He is still showing flashes, but his consistency is shot imo. I hope they get him OL help.

It can be both things at once though. Young would still be very limited on a loaded team.

The worry with CJ is that he is Trevor Lawrence. That's basically the worst case NFL QB scenario. Supreme talent and flashes enough to get a top 8 QB contract but never really truly improves to much more than a slightly above average NFL starter with an elite price tag. So, while we definitely got the lesser of the two QB's, it is possible we don't end up as badly, depending on Stroud's ultimate career arc. Bryce will never see that kind of contract, so we ducked that, at least.

I think with CJ you likely are looking at variant of the sophomore slump. It didn't come week 1 of year 2. Showed itself late last year and continues on this year. CJ has the talent to play in this league. He already proved that. The first real test after you can prove you got what it takes.....is can you overcome NFL teams really getting to know you (which to me is what a sophomore slump is).

Youth feels like the future for us on D for sure. Well, and on offense. But at least we have David Moore making an entire side of the field unusable on offense.

I think the sample size is pretty small to say much of anything. I saw enough to say that I would rather gives some more snaps to them. DJ Wonnum and Pat Jones II aren't going to be franchise players. They are depth/role players.

Pretty much every fan of Stroud and the Panthers acknowledges his trajectory has been down for a bit. Despite this, we have to massively subset his career and ignore HIS accomplishments for the comparison to be even roughly equal between he and Bryce. That's how much better his career has been to date. We don't yet know for sure how his career will end but for any of you digging him I'd ask this: Would you rather have his accomplishments to date or Bryce's?

I hope so. We have a good history of edge rushers but we've been in a drought for awhile.

I agree. He was probably content on the horse farm and being with his family. Now that he has money in the bank, motivation is not what it should be. I don't hold it against him. He should go and live the life he wants.