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For some reason I thought the bargain basement underdog QB looked better not operating an offense than the insanely expensive super computer point guard not operating an offense. Excluding a few games.. It is an expectations thing.

I can agree that not everyone who dilslikes him are not haters. But there are several around here who regardless of the topic, will somehow get a dig in on Young. Doesn't matter what the original topic is, they will somehow get around to blaming Bryce for it. We just had a great win and are at .500 for the first time in years and people are still making post disparaging Young. A few people around here just can't stand to see him succeed. They are welcome to their opinion - I just get tired of seeing them rag on him in every post.

We dont want him to fail. We want him to succeed. We want him to be the franchise. We are fast approaching a critical point this offseason where we have to either extend him, decline or take his 5th year, or play him on his final year. Our FO has been very lazy about building anything behind him if he isnt the guy, to prevent us being forced to go QB in the 1st again. The way this whole situation has been handled from the trade, to the Teppers, to Reich, to the combine, etc has been ridiculous.

Hence why teams invest so heavily in pass rushing assets. We need to continue to do the same until that problem is solved.

Oh absolutely. The vitriol and melodrama back when Carolina lost to Buffalo in 2013, as one example, was over the top.

I daresay that for the vast majority, 'wanting him to fail' simply means that they've seen enough and want whatever needs to happen in order to move on... to happen. Few, if any, are actively rooting for him personally to suck. Bryce just happens to be the guy that currently hasn't gotten it done/shown it, like Darnold before him, and Teddy before him, etc.

I know everyone loves BC but he is also a 29 year old backup. His value will always be being that versatile backup for us, not starting 17 games at whatever position. If we want to move from either of the guards, fine, but the draft is the place to take care of that.

Here's your old days. Same stuff. Criticizing how Zod manages, how everyone here is a pre-teen. We're all Peter Panned. Locked in a self-cycling bubble.

Why someone would leave a steaming pile on this post, I just don’t get. This is pretty mainstream thinking here.

I'm sorry, but "good-enough" physicality absolutely does not represent majority of championship-winning QBs since the rules change in 2004 or so, which is all that is relevant in this conversation about the modern NFL. Unless you want to back that up with some actual data, such a comment in and of itself seems an idiotic hot take, to use your own words. There is a reason that the same elite QBs dominate for decades at a time and those guys are absolutely above average/top tier in terms of physical capabilities. even the one-offs like Flacco, Goff, and Stafford have at least one top-tier physical trait and it's typically arm strength. Now, that doesn't mean that elite physical tools automatically equal championships. Absolutely not, and the guys that have the physical AND mental tools to set them apart are few and far between. But it does mean that a team has a dimension of capability that is a tangible advantage in today's NFL. I will die on the hill that Brees's lack of arm strength is a big reason why the Saints were never able to reliably get back over the hump for an entire decade despite racking up ludicrous regular season stats - they simply could not capitalize on that extra dimension, overcome adversity vs the highest competition, and exploit opportunities downfield that other QBs in similar circumstances could do.

The Huddle has been worse absolutely but it also had more quality regular posters back then. I mean some of the most toxic threads were about Cam pre 2015 and circa 2017. Legitimate racist poo that mods had to periodically clean out (as I'm sure you remember heh). The old days had some great posters but it also had some really bad stuff. We also had weird characters, relatives, players posting, etc. Before social media became quite what it is now, the Huddle was a wild place.

Putting Bryce with Jake and Cam is wild, so I guess the Bryce/Jimmy/PJ comparisons may be fair after that PJ has 6 touchdowns to 16 interceptions and a 54% completion rate for his career. He couldn’t operate an offense. I think we all just remember him fondly for that insane throw to DJ that, admittedly, Bryce could never hope or dream of even attempting

I don't think this is true. Certainly as someone people call a hater frequently, I would like nothing more than for BY to be our long term answer at QB. I just haven't seen that yet. I think most posters are actually quite in a similar place with BY - haven't seen enough yet and hope he shows us something this year. It's just a difference on what they think of his existing play to date, how much of it is his fault, etc.

I will die on that hill more so than Bryce Young being bad. and in reality, given how unproductive the Bryce Panthers have been, the chances he has gotten, the cost, etc of Bryce Young? Bryce really doesn't even get it that bad. Wish we had access to old Clausen threads. Tommy Jone Jake threads. Heck, Matt Moore threads. The huddle isn't worse today. The Tepper biggest difference is.....the Panthers just have never given us a break from the losing. So there is no swing.

Agreed with all but this line. There are those who have their predictive beliefs and what reality to play out in perfect alignment.

I was on the old Charlotte.com board and a lot of people here had been on there. I looked at this board and probably made a couple of posts here and there but mostly lurked. Peoples’ perceptions of a thing sure can vary. What I remember isn’t that different from today, but you have to take into account the years of uninterrupted misery people have endured.. it sours you. So stuff is a little more volatile now, we were in a much better place as a team back then. Down years not down decades. People were happier.

Tbf to that poster I thought you were advocating for getting rid of the stat. I generally don't see the point in worrying about whether a QB has GWDs or not. There was a time when Cam was shredding defenses, people called into question whether he was clutch or not because he didn't have enough GWDs. It was dumb then. I also think it's dumb to carry around Bryce's number of GWD without context. But then, there aren't many stats where Bryce is particularly impressive, so I get that, and he does seem at his best at the end of games. What he does well doesn't really show up on the stat sheet, and what he does poorly absolutely does, so this "stat" is in some ways his most impressive.

Hate to tell you but the haters are gonna hate around here. No amount of logic or facts will change that. They never wanted him and will gladly watch the Panthers go down in flames to prove they are right.

My god, bringing in Teddy was one of the most limp, milquetoast moves that the franchise could have made in that scenario and just went to show how out of touch Rhule and company were with the NFL. Plenty here knew that was case as well. Blech.

That was a brilliant post. For me (and only me) I have seen enough of BY to think that there could be a huge upside to what can be done here with the current coaching staff. I am going to be pulling for him like heck and (obviously) these next 11 games will determine his/and our future. It's just dang nice to be 3-3 and have a chance to win a road game this weekend!

I say just ignore those posts/threads. Let them die on the vine. Don't give it attention. Add to the good, not the bad. Help those that don't know as much, know more. In short, you can have football discussions here. Some just have non-football discussions and others join in. Ignore it and keep the football conversation going. No one here has to make anyone sound like an idiot. People can do that on their own. Let idiotic comments sit there like a trophy for all to see.

Exactly. Folks are waxing nostalgic about '20 years ago' but 20 years ago was 2005 - 2 years off of the Cardiac Cats Super Bowl run and right in the heart of Fox's on-again-off-again playoff runs, with stars and talent on both sides of the ball. 2010 was rough but it was obvious when Cam joined that he had the talent to elevate things, and even then took only 2 seasons to get to 2013 and the same yo-yo playoff runs. Today, it's been going on 8 years of sheer dumbassery and negligent mismanagement of the team resulting in years of awful, awful football on the field. Not hard at all to understand why cynicism rules the day. Sort of, but that #1 pick and the new regime was supposed to turn things around, not make it even worse. Makes complete and perfect sense as to why perception is still negative. Also, some people are still dishing out what the rose-colored-glasses crew spent the 2023 offseason spewing to those who dared suggest that Burns shouldn't be given a giant bag, that Bryce and Reich weren't great choices, etc.

I was agreeing with you. Lighten up. How was that not obvious?

However, if we were going to trade before the deadline, I really wouldn’t mind some OL or LB depth for later in the season.

I like DJ, but I don’t want his contract. He is still good but his best years probably already have passed by. That money can be used elsewhere.