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Yeah, I get it and I largely agree. I just realize that the NFL wants to give the refs as much leeway as possible to protect QBs.

You're just going to avoid the step into the pocket and not be behind the LTs part? I never mentioned Dowdle either

I think a lot of it has to do with Bryce's past play that folk can't let go at this point. He used to hold the ball forever and just take sacks. Now the oline was bad but more than a few were on him. I judge him game to game, play to play, with no expectations. But he hasn't really been a sitting duck since his rookie season and maybe a little before the benching. Earlier this season he took sacks and fumbled the ball way too often. But he wasn't just sitting back there like a statue. He just didn't know when to give up on plays.

So by my proposed rules, Shough would have been protected and Young not protected. Shough left his feet at the 45 yard line. Ransom is at the 42-1/2 yard line. Young never left his feet until contact was initiated.

Well you just said HE can't put away teams. I showed you recently it's not just him and you are saying it works both ways. I agree it works both ways. We as a team are having trouble putting away teams.

We were in the lead by a score 17-10 late in the 4th. Once the Saints tied it up, we had the chance for a GWD. We were in control and handed it to them on each side of the ball, coaching, players, all of the above.

Good question!

That was so fuging lame. Canales’ positivity after being embarrassed is hard to stomach. He followed the ‘physics’ excuse by saying sneaks weren’t “our style” and we would prefer to focus on our style. Honestly fug that double talk. Tired of excuses for Bryce not being able to do meat and potato QB tasks. Style. Yeah.

an improvement, but a disappointment.

Yeah, it was dumb of Icky because the push on Bryce was light and legal but it was still a pretty ticky tack flag. Pushing and shoving happens after a lot of plays and as long as they knock it off when the refs step in it's usually play on.

And while they were flag happy, it only resulted in one 1st down for the Panthers.

How would you rate this season compared to last year? Curious to see what the hive mind has to say. Did they take a step foward or not? Did Bryce improve? The coaching staff? If they sh#t the bed the remainder of the season was it any improvement?

I wouldn't go that far. I think the defense should get the lion's share. But in their defense there were some very questionable calls that extended drives. But giving up those 3rd and longs were back breakers. Bryce isn't asked to carry the team. He's asked to make his 4 or 5 big plays, usually towards the end of games. That's how you win with this version of Bryce. I think he made more than that yesterday. I thought he did a good job of manipulating the pocket and escaping when he had to. He just didn't get the help he needed to win the game. I'm not saying that's always the case. But it was yesterday. I think. I plan to watch the All-22 today. The eye in the sky don't lie.

I agree. That flag on Ekwonu when all he did was push Jordan was a joke.

Yeah, I just know it's not gonna happen. The NFL wants to maximize QB protection because owners want to protect the most expensive position on their teams. The last thing you want to see as an owner is that $60M/year player leaving the field on a cart.

Agree, so a rule needs to be adjusted to be specific in the act of a slide. If the QB does some unorthodox flop and not an actual slide, it should not be protected. Then they need to constitute the process of a slide and when is begins, also if the QB is late attempting it--therefore not afforded the protection. Let's say the slide begins the moment the QB leaves both feet as a runner. Also, one yard and closer to the tackler is too late to attempt a slide, at that point you are a ball carrier and forfeit your QB protection. Does this sound fair?

Those refs were flag happy as hell. 20 total penalties for 181 yards is just crazy. 11 on us for 103 and 9 on them for 78.

Morgan has done good things for the most part.

I'm just illustrating how bad the penalties were against the Saints compared to the last two wins. Not cherry picking

The play call had potential to be great had the pitch to Dowdle been the call. We had run Chuba on that play already, why not pitch it out to Dowdle and let him make the corner miss for probably a 15+ yard gain at minimum.

Chase Young bull rushes Ickey almost straight into Bryce in 2 seconds, who is looking right trying to push the ball downfield. He goes down. And we are all here seriously talking about how Ickey did his job and Bryce didn’t

D Brown had a roughing penalty 15 yards Horn had defensive holding giving them a first down There was a sack negated because of hands to the face or defensive holding - I can't remeber. Ransom has a personal foul moving the game winning TD from a 62 yard attempt to a 46 yard attempt. Juat way too many penalties at terrible times.

I am not talking defensive penalties. I am talking penalties. I am just pointing out that for whatever reason we do tend to be more penalized in our wins than our losses this year. It's not like an outlier thing.

This is why it's important not to cherry pick when looking at stats. The wider net you cast the more likely you are to get the best idea of the overall situation. You can tell any story you want to tell if you cherry pick hard enough.

People who don’t know football think this o-line is good at pass protection. Any other QB yesterday gets sacked 4 times minimum, Bryce is a small slippery sob with a lightning release. You noticed every time Canales calls a shot play or a seven step drop back Bryce is getting smoked. Canales is doing his best to hide this line flaws, we only call shot plays when it’s one on one and Bryce throws with anticipation, outside of that we are straight up playing for 3rd and short. There’s a reason we have to overpay for guys like Damien Lewis and Hunt both those guys are considered average lineman by most team standards. Chase Young had a field day yesterday, but he just couldn’t get to Bryce fast enough