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Donte actually recovered from that surgery and has played very well the past two seasons. Now, he has done it on significantly better defenses than Horn....

Yeah and maybe NO wouldn't have absolutely dunked all over him in the two games had we played to his strengths more.

This is incorrect. We lose the #3 tiebreaker. In your scenario, common opponents record would be: Tampa: 7-7 Carolina: 6-8

but the real question to pose Canales, given what the % of QBs sneaks converted is......how can you justify not having that play given the success rate of it in the NFL vs other run plays on short yardage.

I think Horn should just fall down more. It looks better than just getting beaten like a drum for scores. Donte "Action" Jackson made that a go-to move, and he's had a long NFL career. Many folks thought he was a good corner too.

I meant write off in the entire class being absolute garbage and that being on Dan FA was pretty solid but Dan and Brandt handing out one big terrible contract to Turk Wharton. Milton was their top target and the pivot from Milton to Turk while paying Turk what they did was insane. Id LOVE to know had we not paid Turk what type of contract he would’ve received. 3/30 mayyyybe? This is someone Brandt obviously vouched for. I’ve watched a few of Tilis’ interviews now. One with Jourdan and one with Yates. He’s a big Moneyball fan. Giving Turk the deal they gave him is the complete opposite of the whole Moneyball idea. They paid a dude who they saw some potential in money that you’d pay someone that has actually made an impact The worst part is that he’s 100% here next year too. That contract keeps him here until 2027 for sure

Are you kidding? They just now figured out they could use someone else for a qb sneak.

The biggest problem is that his upward trend is still well below NFL average. At some point there's just too much evidence to ignore. I've been there for awhile now. Honestly, it only took a handful of games for me to realize that he just had too many physical limitations to overcome to ever be a legitimate starter. I get that the organization couldn't afford to pull the plug that quick after that investment but there's absolutely no way we should've gone into year three without legitimate competition on the roster. We always a year behind kn this Bryce thing. This year should've been the legit competition year and this offseason should've been the moving on point. Hopefully we'll play catch up but I expect the trend to cj tinge and next year will be the vet competition year.

I'm surprised it took him this long to figure it out. This team is FUBAR.

And they are still "working on things" this late in the season coming out of a bye. He has said some moronic things

I was legit YELLING this sunday. WTF did we pay him that much money to be just another rando plug and play Corner. I desperately hate Everos scheme with every fiber of my being.

yep, and that's what 99.9 fan hit so well. The Bryce curve and bar that is unique to him. People are saying he is trending up.....despite playing below average/poorly (by the standards applied to other QBs) in 4 of the last 6 games and majority of the season.

Make 2 list, the things Bryce can do and the things Beyce can't do. One is long and the other short. Guess which this also falls into? I have never seen a professional athlete with so many excuses about why they can't do their job. At least it's hilarious. Also, near the end of year 2 and they still can't figure out who to sneak it with lol

He's a hindrance. That isn't a personal attack, it just is what it is. I feel like everybody exploits the middle of the field, it's a crucial part of an NFL offense and we seem incapable of doing it with him. We would need an all-time elite defensive unit to compete with him at QB

Not sure what you mean writing off the last draft, first year or not thats on him. Completely. This draft, on paper was promising but shine is off the apple as they say. His FA signings are good but when you have to pay a premium thats going to catch up with you down the road. I think all 3 get next year but like I said if it goes sideways we are starting over As for bryce he will never in a million years be a solid nfl starter until he cleans up his drop backs, footwork and mechanics in general. They were poo at bama and lo and behold 3 years in still poo. I think Reich saw/knew this and I think reality set in with Dave last training camp, hence the hiding of bryce. You could even argue he did it again this year. I truly think they will shake up the qb room this offseason. But if they dont then I will be happy as hell when they get their pink slips. But if they know deep down that Young simply isnt the dude, and there is 3 years of film/data to show, then I bet they are a bit leery of chaining themselves to Young for 2 more years. Their plan works when the run game is on, but you have seen when its not.

This is my problem with the Pro-Bryce crowd. Why does Bryce get graded on this curve??? Why?? He is a three year starter.

He is not in man coverage very often. I wish we would change that scheme to have him on an island versus their best WR more often. Why would you pay a player that kind of money and not have him shadowing the opposing teams best WR??? It's bananas.

Actually, it is startling how many worse NFL starters there have been this season than Bryce. It has not been a great year for bottom tier QB's.

I don't disagree. I was just pointing out that of all the scenarios you were comparing in those images, technically Bryce was in the best shape. Not good shape, for certain.

I mean, that was a "good" Bryce day. And as the folks on 99.9 fan said well..... ultimately, given what his good days overall are....that's the big picture issue. Because a good day for Bryce isn't how you identify a good day for the rest of the league's starting QBs. A good day isn't 175 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover. So it's big picture problems vs literally what cost us that particular game. People talk both and should be able to. That's why Bryce is brought up. He represents the big picture issue even if it didn't literally cost us the game.

I agree about middle pressure. Blind side is a close second. You just never see it coming. And that's where you get alot of big hits on the QB.

Yeah, it's why I get so upset when they do such obviously goofy things like drafting project players in the top 3 rounds. That is a luxury that a team like the Ravens might be able to get away with but even they rarely do that. I will say that Morgan seemed to hone in primarily on FOOTBALL players rather than just pure athletes in this last draft. Mixed results so far but that had been too often overlooked by our franchise.

I think if you gave him Brady or Manning's mind he would be a viable starter in the NFL. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the pack game managing type. Chad Pennington+, if you will.

My guess is that they Jonathan Cooley Pretty much. You just can’t draft flat out busts. You look any bad team in the leagues draft history and they’re all pretty similar. Find 3-4 guys that can contribute even if they’re just average and you’ll build a solid floor to where you can then fill other holes in FA and you’d have a pretty solid team

I think you could give him Tom Brady or Peyton Manning's mind and he'd still struggle. If you can't see the field and you can't make the throw all the brainiac stuff in the world isn't gonna save you. He's not historically limited between the ears, he's historically limited physically.