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firefox1234 replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
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Agree. Tackle is a huge long term need and we put a bandaid on it for this year. Moton or Walker goes down and we are in trouble. I don't think we pass on Mauigoa, Fano, or Freeling at 19, but I bet none are there anyway, which would free us up to go safety, ILB, or defensive end. I think the WR/TE talk is hoping for a trade back. Remember, we b.s.'ed the draft w/ the no. 8 Tet pick last year.
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I've been on the Lomu bandwagon too. Best pure LT in the class.
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As long as Canales and Morgan draft another ROY, I don’t care who the pick at #19 is.
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I told y'all Lomu would overtake Proctor. Freeling jumped over both of them and will be the second OT taken, even over Fano who some teams are projecting as an OG. Freeling will be gone to the most needy LT team after Mauigoa gets drafted; somewhere in the early teens. That leaves the guy who I've been saying for a couple months is best fit for us, Lomu.
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Is tackle out the window at 19?
mrcompletely11 replied to micnificent28's topic in Carolina Panthers
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'Looking for' and getting are two different things. Most scouts would tell you once you get past the mid-point in the first round, in a typical year, you have past the threshold of sure-fire starters. At that point you are hoping for a day1 starter, but in reality that guy isn't quite ready yet. He's a heir apparent with training wheels for a season. There's nothing wrong with that. That's why LT absolutely should not be off the table at #19. We got one guy with a possible career ending injury and a rent-a-tackle for a season. Solid reasoning for glossing over the second most important position on a NFL team.
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
SazmoRanger replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Correct me if I'm wrong but close to the draft I thought Person was one of the few saying there was a lot of interest in TMac and not as much in Walker? -
Not at all you got a day one starter and Nick squirting in the second round last year so how's the top 19 player a frig starter? I think rounds one and two you're looking at opening day starters potentially
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Y'all are acting like Walker is a All-Pro on a 4 year deal. He's a rent-a-tackle on a one-year deal that got past over in FA until we snagged him. There are worse things than having a $4M back up left tackle if he gets beat out. Even if he doesn't get beat out by a hypothetical LT rookie, at least said rookie wouldn't get thrown to the wolves and can be eased into the League. Walker also has a injury history. Who says he stays healthy all season?
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He specifically didn't say LB. I'd make note of that. Very well could indicate that's the target position.
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General Offseason Chat/News (& AI slop postings)
firefox1234 replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
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Doesn’t sound like any position is ruled out.
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Wagner played both sides, i believe, but settled in at RT. I'll take the RT that can play both sides if the play on the right side is on par with a couple other guys in question. That's the tie breaker.
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It's why I hated the Butler and Shaq picks. When we made those picks, DT and LB were probably our strongest position groups and we looked past huge needs to make luxury picks for depth and future development. Now if we'd drafted guys who developed into perennial All Pros, all good. But that's kinda what you need to justify those types of luxury picks. Some would argue that Shaq justified it. I wouldn't. Just because we ended up paying him like an All Pro doesn't mean he was an All Pro (note: he wasn't). Butler was an outright bust which makes it a really tough pill to swallow for a luxury pick.
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At #19, you get a fringe starter, so I guess Dave and Dan are moving up?
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like duh. no team drafts for depth in the 1st round Joe Person "Water is wet"
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That's sad
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The more I research this draft, the more I think this: All of the tackles are developmental. I think, if you have a proven veteran at LT and a solid player (with a knee at 32?) at RT, you go ahead and draft players who might be a year away. They can serve as depth while working for a shot to start. In my opinion, based on the sites I rely on for draft info--there are players who could fall to day 3 who have issues to work out but have demonstrated success on the college level. Here are the OTs I am watching: Jude Bowery, BC. Aamil Wagner, ND Isiah World, Ore D. Crownover, TexAM Isaiah Jatta, BYU (I really like the first two)
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I get it. When you have obvious pressing needs you're ideally looking for a starter at #19. Obviously you draft for depth later in the draft but you want early impact out of your early picks. The context of that quote was the 19th overall pick. The other thing to note is that this is also peak lying season. You don't want to telegraph your intentions. Even if we were seriously considering or even targeting OT at 19 the smart move would be to downplay it. Virtually everyone expected us to go pass rusher in the 1st last year and lo and behold we go WR which very few people were talking about as a legit possibility.
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
jfra78 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
So we aren't drafting Sadiq -
Only if it's a starter
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BPA is the pick.
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Panthers draft outlook featuring Joe Person
45catfan replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
They aren't, but Sadiq is overrated. We don't use TEs that much anyway. It's a bad return on the investment at #19. I'm hoping another team has a crush on him ahead of us and I don't have to worry about it. -
Yeah, 20 wins for a UNC level program is not a good season. And when a number like that is so cherry picked it makes me go looking. Roy only won 19 games his first season but then proceeded to win 30+ in four of the next five. Hubert never won 30+. Schemer only has four seasons completed and will almost certainly win 20+ next season likely with an overall winning percentage significantly above Hubert's. Schemer just has to figure out how to close the deal in the big dance but it's hard with a revolving door of ine and doners. Yeah, those kids are super talented but they're still freshmen and are prone to doing dumb poo when the pressure gets dialed up to 11. Always been the case, always will be. We can go back to our '93 title as a perfect example. Michigan's Fab 5 with a super talented freshman dominated team and the best of the bunch cranks in crunch time first with an uncalled obvious travel, then the infamous timeout with no timeouts remaining. Freshmen gonna freshman.
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