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I think he did a solid job. Honestly I liked his post game interview the best. He gave himself a C and said he left a lot out on the field. That kind of attitude can carry him far.

This is lacking a fairly considerable amount of context. For one, Adams(age 22) started 12 of 16 games, had 38 rec, 446 yds and 3 TD's on 66 targets(18 less, with 2 less games started). The main thing missing here is that the top two WR's for Green Bay that year combined for about 2800 yds and 25 TD's. Now if you want to throw a more accurate dart at Adams, take a look at year two. This year the production was spread around considerably and Adams didn't stand out from that pack(pun not intended). So, if XL struggles mightily this season, I would probably keep that comparison in your quiver to counter argue. I would suggest that I don't think that scenario is probably very accurate for most HOF caliber WR's taken in the first round over the past 15 or so years. Adams was the 89th pick overall, as well. A little different hill to climb than XL, although not massively.

to clarify I am not referring to Will Levis. Not knowingly. I just made that up and tried to use a reasonable guesstimate of what else was done. That sounded in the ballpark. At one time I did look it all up and there were several teams that had much more successful days downfield. If that happened to be Levis' actual numbers than it's more of a lucky coincidence. If memory serves, it wasn't just Will Levis that brought the claim into question, it was SEVERAL teams had better days. and you are missing my entire point of the subjective nature of it all. If PFF employee Doug watched Bryce's film and then used his same unique subjective vantage point to grade all 31 other starting QBs. Then dumped into into a spread sheet, it would a subjective Doug take but at least it would be a level uniform subjectivity. The grades are done by various people. All watching and applying their own subjective view to a play. Everyone isn't going to grade incompletions out the same. Or completions. So when you dump it all into a spread sheet and hit sort.....it's not actually a statement of fact as portrayed. Which is why you sometimes get some head scratching stuff. I'm not reframing anything. I don't think. I just wasn't going to look it all back up so I was talking vaguely off the general issue I have with PFF and treating any random claim they make as the truth.

Jones got projected as the next Eli because they share a similar goofball, on the spectrum energy. That's my theory.

I didn't think underrated was the wildest statement. The passing and offensive command he showed in week 18 against Atlanta was as good as any QB that has ever played for this franchise. I mean THAT part is wild. Which plays into the overrated part. End of regulation I don't think he even hit 200 yards passing. I mean he had a very efficient day vs a weak defense. As good as we have ever seen in Carolina?

Again, looking at the film clarifies why the 2/4 is better than the 3/5, especially when that 3/5 was due to WRs making opponents miss. To clarify for those that are unaware: those stats are referring to Bryce Young and Will Levis. The game film showed how ridiculous it was to hyper focus on Levis' 3/5 for a TD because his completions were made wide open WRs that were running free vs. Bryce who made the more difficult throws AND was let down by a WR drop iirc. I don't think it's intellectually honest to try and reframe things like this specific example wasn't already ejected into the sun with prejudice.

Lol...hardly any rookie is gonna get playing time against starters in the pre season. So I guess there is nothing to evaluate for respective teams right? Makes sense i guess. Lol

Best bet imo. Last thing they want to do is have to protect Shedeur while still having to build the team. Let Flacco guide the ship and then give Shedeur the keys once they're eliminated. Of course, they could always do the Huddle-preferred method of forcing him into action because his last name is Sanders and that means he has to play hero ball.

Seems you shut a lot of that down. There basically is no comeback for this post. Good job! The I don't want to write this kid off but I am going to write this kid off posts and takes have been insane about XL.

That'd be my plan. Figure out which one of your rookie QBs has the most upside/potential and throw him out there once the season is basically over.

The media is going to overreact to his play because of his name. He did play solid against our backups. Stayed calm in the pocket and made some nice passes. I still think he can be a solid QB in this league, but it's just hard for me to dig too much into preseason. I'd consider putting him behind Flacco if I were the Browns and once they get eliminated playing him to see what they have in him.

Only because Evaro was forced too, before last year he had some ridiculously low blitz %% Saying his blitzes are not creative is an understatement... Plus I think it was agaist greenbay? 3rd and 2 lets drop 9 guys and rush a Safety and a lb.

underrated? Jesus H Christ

Jones seems like the classic million dollar talent attached to a ten cent dome. Very Sam Darnold-esque. The talent is all there, the neurons are just not firing correctly to get all that talent into producing at an elite level. It happens all the time. Justin Fields is another great example of that.

I mean, yes, there is a difference between looking at a box score and watching film. But PFF has a big subjective aspect to some of their grades. That's how you get a 2/4 being better than 3/5 with a TD. You aren't using stats at that point or factual events, but subjective analysis of plays. And it's not like it is the same subjective analysis applying across all the players. Same guy grading BY's incompletions (which are putting him over the top) isn't grading everyone else's incompletions and completions. So it's different subjective takes/viewpoints applied. There is no way everyone at PFF views grading out a play the same. Then it all dumps into the same spreadsheet. Hit the sort button. Sometimes I feel it gets really weird and and collective data starts saying some weird stuff that just isn't true.

Yeah, Sanders had a very nice debut preseason performance but the folks acting like he's arrived based on that performance are getting way out ahead of themselves.

I won't be surprised if Graham disappoints. Maybe not outright bust but never lives up to his draft status. The more I watched him at Michigan the more I came away impressed by the other Michigan DT. I think he might be the real player. Usually when you have two high level prospects in the same college unit one of them ends up getting fraud checked in the NFL as being largely carried by the other guy. Peppers and Ryan Sims at UNC comes to mind. Lavar Arrington and Courtney Brown at Penn State, etc.

"starters" without Horn, DB, or Robinson

Why are you so focused on a Browns QB anyways? You've spent weeks badmouthing our rookie WR who had yet to play a down in an NFL game then when he finally did and looked good you went completely silent. Odd.

3/7 for 26 yards against the starters

You of all people talking about someone else glazing a young QB based on a small sample size.

Jones is not a good QB and a turnover machine but he has made some franchise QB level throws. I've seen some nice throws from Bryce but to pretend like he is head and shoulders a more capable passer than Daniel Jones is not rooted in reality currently. Let's talk turkey not fantasy. Look at Jones completion percentage in his best year. 67%. Bryce is barely 60%. And let's keep this in perspective. Jones has something neither of our top 2 QB's here have. That's a playoff win. I would have to disagree. Is it even possible to underrate someone when they go from amongst the worst of the worst to fringe top 20? I think most people see this for what it is. Bryce has some things he does very well. He's finally displaying the movement in and around the pocket that he showed in college. He has a nice ball in certain scenarios but there are still throws that defenses are waiting to see him make on a consistent basis. That's where the story will change.

I don't think Howell is fixable. He's just a Winston/Favre-esque gunslinger. It's not often those guys really change that. He has a decent ceiling, Baker Mayfield. That's basically the limit of his level of gunslinger and I don't think he can achieve that. He was just born in the wrong era(feel the same about Winston).

Sounds like you need to go work for a new company if this type of humor isn't appreciated.

When looking at the film instead of just the box scores like was done in here once or twice, it was clear why he was rated higher.