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What it feels like is a horrible source reality. What a person sees is a horrible source for reality. Stats can be easily misunderstood because because they are interpretive and contextual. Very large data sets with dozens more more connected variables are difficult to deal with and understand correctly. Throw in confirmation bias, abstraction, emotions and the way human brains are wired make it really easy to roll with eye tests and intuition. The negativity for Bryce was really high and most were ready to trade that asset for peanuts until the second half of last year when he began to play much, much better. Hope sprang eternal. The Saints game last year. Going toe to toe and almost beating the two teams who went to the Superbowl last year. Beating the Falcons when the Falcons had everything to play for. Haters started adjusting their tune. Fan and media starting saying it looks like Carolina has found their franchise QB. The real answer was and is, maybe. If he plays great on Sunday the anti-Bryce crowd will find other excuses or say it's only one game. If he plays horrible, it'll be more of the "I told you so. I knew it before he was drafted." (which is beyond stupid since there there is not an actual way to know if a player will be successful in the NFL or not.) I'll leave with a simple example. Of the initial list of incompletions due to WR error, Jarod Goff has 0. He was 31 for 39 at an almost 80% completion percentage. His WR's much has balled out. Except when you add the facts that only 11 of those passes were to WRs. 14 were to RB's and 6 to the TE. Gibbs has 10 of those receptions and he's elite so that explains why we shouldn't put much stock into this stat. But then we see that Gibbs also set an NFL record with the least number of yards (31) for any player with at least 10 receptions in a game. Fun stuff! Oh yeah. From week 1 how many people had Justin Fields and Daniel Jones playing at elite levels?

How do you reconcile with the fact that the most competent and productive the Panthers passing offense has looked at any point between 2023 and 2025 were both games where Andy Dalton (who is completely washed and terrible) started? 680 passing yards and 5 touchdowns in two games. And one of those games was with Frank Reich as the head coach. This team needs competent QB play.

If we're in position and he is there, he will absolutely be the pick. He goes to South Carolina after all

Does Miami still want Bryce? lol

No I mean a professional QB doesn’t need a wide receiver to tell him where the safety is and what coverage they’re in.

What are your thoughts on Sellers? Big frame and big arm at 6'3 and 245 lbs. Shades of Cam Newton. Complete opposite of Young. Could be the answer to what they need. He needs some refinment, but the intangibles are sky high. Looks like a smart guy and not a problem child. He will be a high QB prospect no doubt.

Not resign Dalton, sign a healthy jag, sit Young all year and the trade him i 26. Easy and stated for moths here

So you mean a QB needs a professional WR? You think?

No one would be complain if Bryce and the O were productive and threatening…..and we lost with bad defense. Thats literally what we setup with our investments to be at this point in time.

the #1 Heisman winning draft pick came off the bench looking better, I see why he wasn't traded. If he was and this year the Panthers still went 5-12 it would look bad. Really no winning play for Dave

The Panthers have. Frank.

best case scenario for fans is you just play Bryce 17 straight games and you get the clean break from him. . the problem becomes, all the people at BOA that will start trying to position themselves to save face/jobs (survival is the NFL game). And never benching a bad player, well, that creates an inhouse nightmare. Which generally means you make a run through all your QBs at some point when things go bad. Dan fugged this all up. They moved on from Bryce last year and failed to trade/get rid of him. That was the proper play.

I agree we don't need a top pick. But at this point wherever we end up in round 1 we're just going to have to throw another dart at it. I concur wholeheartedly about our evaluation. If it were up to me every single draft scout would have already gotten their walking papers. But I think we both know who is actually pulling strings so I guess it probably doesn't matter? But all we have to do is just take a chance on a QB that actually has the physical intangibles necessary as a starting point. It's always going to be a crapshoot but that's the bare minimum we need to be looking at going forward. This trying to break the mold and draft the NFL QB equivalent of Steph Curry foolishness needs to get out of the damn building now and forever.

Or pick it if it's there. I agree but I still expect them to do it the right way even knowing they won't. It's why thr huddle is usually right more than the team...

Do your thing Ice. l've realized that some huddlers are just gonna complain. That's their schtick. I didn't watch the game live (getting too old to let football monopolize my Sundays), so I'll take a look too.

I'm going to agree with the original premise of the thread, at least to some degree. Our defense was historically bad last season. And, from the looks of the first week, it's no better and possibly worse. We just allowed Jacksonville to get 200 yards on the ground on us. Rushing yards... frikking rushing yards. Even with a good QB, it would be hard to give up that much, not to mention 32 points a game, and come out with even close to a winning record. Bryce is struggling, failing, but he's not the only problem. We haven't had a decent defense since Tepper pretty much dictated that we move to a 3-4. It hasn't worked and Eviro can't seem to coach on top of that.

Pretty much all you can do at this point is play Bryce. If he dies, he dies. There’s no other option on the roster and it is what it is. Dalton stinks and anyone we pull up from PS will likely be terrible.

Forfeit the season and give us all some relief.

I was more getting at the idea that a top pick isn't necessarily going to land a better QB prospect. We can’t evaluate talent.

trade young for anything we could get....sanders.....and bring in some qbs avaiilable and just play rookie udfa qbs and or sanders rest of season see if any show any signs if not draft best qb this year maybe even 2 qbs this year

You can. you will.

The throws Bryce is comfortable attempting are short over the middle and down the sidelines. Short over middle obvious reasons, sidelines because you can get one on one coverage and the sideline protects you from monsters. I actually think that’s Bryce’s best throw, that soft sideline go that Thielen used to run from the Y or X position. His throw chart looks like a shallow, wide U, a couple of outlier throws not withstanding. Problem is the person that was reading the coverages for him was thielen in motion. This is all I watched during the game in Atlanta last year. It was clear as day what Adam was doing. That’s why I knew Bryce would implode without him and surely the coaches and thielen had to know that as well.

Bryce throws short middle a lot, within ten yards, mostly on crossing routes when Chuba has cleared a linebacker. These passes are not threatening and defenses give them up in the modern NFL because they don’t work in the 20s and defenses can’t realistically protect against them and cover deep. when Bryce goes intermediate middle, that’s when he gets people killed. Poor renfrow has enough health problems without that safety rearranging his guts. Bryce also almost got sanders killed on a deep route, but he was able to drop at the last second.

I mean it's more than too early he has played a single game lol. He could be another Anthony Richardson or he could take his lumps and become a better QB for it. Here in Carolina there are multiple problems but I'm tired of the hit dog mentality. There are QB's who could at least have this team competitive. I've never expected a winning season but we don't have to be so downbad we are getting blown out by previously 4 win teams.

Good oline, WR options, young TEs and good RB group. It's not perfect but a decent QB should be putting up 20+ points a game. No idea about Ward yet but a decent backup level QB should be competitive most weeks even with a limp D. It just feels that way because the scheme is so limited with the current QB ane his limitations.