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I expect Young to play better and the team to play better. Week one is something I refuse to give much weight to, going back to when we had 4 preseason games. All kinds of unpredictable outcomes happen week one. Seen it too many times to discount that. Since the 17 game schedule, I don’t pay much mind to results and how the units look until week 3. The units just need time to get the teamwork and timing together under real conditions. Not a series at 90% in preseason. That won’t do it. And it is hard to get around it. But Frank is right when he points to the difference in how the offense looks with an NFL level arm behind center. Seattle in 2023, Vegas in 2024, were just liberating for the passing game. This Bryce ball is no fun to watch unless he is having a day where everything is clicking. Which I think we saw one time. Out of 29. Meh.

Doesn't help that Coen beat up on Evero's defense pretty good last season both times. Looks (and sounds, according to TLaw) like he has the scheme figured out.

Yeah, it’s not complicated. is a seam route a hospital ball? No. can a seam route be a hospital ball ? Yes. if you are throwing seam routes do you need to make sure you don’t hang your TE/WR out to dry? Yes. Because of injury. as a former NFL QB explained….Bryce was late with the throw (common issue with Bryce) and threw it too far up field. So a seam route became a hospital ball. result? An incompletion that got his WR banged up honestly have no clue what Bryce defenders are doing at this point. I’m out on talking about all his bad throws from Sunday.

I do not his healing or how the surgery went. Just 3 weeks for a grown man with all sorts of "juice" in his system, I just know toughness is not of strength of his....... I knew that when a safety pancaked him years ago.... I do think back to Chris Sims speen game and he finished it somehow. Went to the hospital and if he came a couple hours laters, he would be rip. Im just different about injuries and too old school about it. Still 4 full weeks for this, something else must have happened. I've been taking my pops to visits and they are scared to death about infections, Icky could have easily got one. DJ had issues in rehab last year.

Horn over Moore. Go a head and bench XL to let him work on himself or give the team a reason to trade him at the end of the year. Moore is a coaches pet and nothing more.

Wonderful work.

He wants Clemson players to be coddled. Dont read any deeper in to it.

Told you they should have drafted him, I was plenty ready in the 4th!!! Im no fan either, just.....well this team would truly have a little more hope with sanders on the roster. Just a flyer 4th and panther may are the one of the worst drafting late round teams....

Its says Questionable. You really that bothered by appendicitis?

So Icky is going ANOTHER week?? I need to logout before I say some ish.....

I honestly think the Jags had a upper hand due to Dave being the OC of TB 2 years ago and going to rival sparked TB to give insight into Daves play call sheet or/and playbook. Jags were prepared too well and seemed to be in the Panthers huddle for around 80% of the plays. Props to them, they are the better team.

Why do you keep lying about this? You keep repeating this for some insane reason when it's so easy to prove it's not true. I listed games off the top of the head where he played well when you said this in another thread. Week 16 against the Cards 36-30 OT win. Threw 3 TD's Week 12 against KC 30-27 loss but Bryce went 24 of 35 for 263 yrds. It was Mahomes magic that got us. Week 10 against the Bucs 298 yards in a close game with a passing TD and a running TD. We even had those flashes of what he could be in 2023 against the Packers, the 95-yard game winning drive vs the Falcons, or how he outplayed CJ Shroud with the win over the Texans.

I would start scouting QBs for next years draft really close. And I would try to trade for Jameis Winston as the stop gap. It wouldn’t be pretty, but it sure would be entertaining. As a bonus, our young WRs and TEs would thrive.

If I visited the queen city, 100% this woman would find me....

Fair question, and I don’t have an answer for you. I just keep watching games and opponents keep doing the same thing with no adjustments being made. And for sure last years squad was weak, no doubt. It just feels very predictable, and line up choices feel questionable at best. But that is my take from the couch.

You can not trust anyone, I have learned this. Still you must get the message across, All college QBs need extra attention this year. Id honestly feel drafting 2 should be the plan. Drafting is the only solution, unless anyone believes another Jake Delhommey deal happens. Panthers won the QB lotto with Jake, its so rare that another Jake isn't walking on this team.... Im not ready to write off the season and I think the huddle should know better.....its just been 7 years of disappointment......It changes you. I said no week one is a "must", but in 30 years this felt the closest to one given the poor Jags, bad QB, and new staff. Panthers had some hope, now its all gone. I sped though the game again, I noticed Jags were better prepared than I thought. The Jags coaches on both sides seem to have the Panthers playbooks and knew how most developed. I don't know if TB gave Coen Daves playbook, it felt like it the first time watching and even more the second. Jags knew what was coming and it made the Panthers look worse than they are. Still a long season......

Good breakdown! I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm looking at all that well, but I get the feeling Coen knew exactly how to attack Evero's defense. Maybe we'll realize by the end of the year that he's a darn fine playcaller and we'll look back at this a little differently. However.... some of these defensive players look pretty bad in a lot of different spots. #32 has been beat up a lot for that day already but this is just another reminder. He takes extremely puzzling angles too much.

I read the entire article. Seam routes are great against a single high safety because they have to make a decision. They can be high risk, high reward play but they are a staple in nearly every NFL game. Just because they are tight windows doesn't make them hospital balls. The biggest takeaway from that whole article was this is football. You're going to get hit. You can get lit up on any play. QB tries the best he can to judge the distance but the structure of the play is going to get you hit and that safety can run down hill. Here is one to Sanders, from the same game, who slows down slightly and puts himself in a better position to make the catch without getting lit up. Hunter ran full tilt and jumped. No fear running that route which is what Grok recommends.

Wanted to give a quick shout out to those of y'all participating in the discussion in good faith. It's been a nice change of pace for some of us fans to combine our knowledge and try to figure things out rather than just looking for a scapegoat to blow off some steam. ♡

You don't throw high over the middle, unless your Bryce then it's okay and it's the recievers fault. Plus Sanders is 6'4" 250 and Renfrow is 5'10" 180

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547432/panthers-seahawks https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401671658/panthers-raiders 680 passing yards between two games and one of those was with a head coach many here have called the worst in our history. When washed Andy Dalton is the high point for your passing offense in 2 years with the same players when you have a first overall pick at QB on the roster nothing more really needs to be said.

You can also see it in how he didnt even try to build an offense for Bryce. Stroud was his QB and he was overruled. He lost interest immediately. He went through the motions until he was fired.

Honestly? Because Tepper refuses to admit he was wrong when he insisted the team draft Bryce Young. Miss me with the 'he was the consensus pick in the building' malarkey. Go and find footage of Reich watching Stroud through at his pro day and then compare it to Reich (and McCown) at Young's pro day. He was enamoured with Stroud.

It's arguable he missed two walk in TDs to Renfrow on Sunday - he threw one out of bounds and he underthrew the other. Renfrow had his man beat deep by 2 yards (NFL open) down the sidelines. QBs miss throws, that's the nature of the game. They also make throws, which Young simply doesn't do consistently enough.