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Okay so I'm gonna slow down and just talk about the ickey injury. Since I'm not a doctor I asked chatgpt if I was a NFL which injury would you rather have.

Much like RB, I don't think you draft TE in the top 25 unless they are elite level that will be great day 1 in the NFL. I don't think that is Sadiq. Yes, he showed elite athleticism at the combine, but not sure it really showed up on tape at Oregon. Still worried about how many games he disappeared in last season, if he will be able to block in the NFL (practically all of his blocking was in the spread formation against smaller guys), his drops, and his route running. He's definitely somebody that can become elite in the NFL, but athleticism alone won't get you there. The hype Sadiq is getting off of his combine results reminds me of the hype Evan Engram got. So I guess the question is... Would you draft Sadiq at 19 if he put up similar career numbers to Evan Engram?

No we are gonna draft Sadiq, if you read the board today.

There is a scenario where coming to us would be 2 or 3 players who we could get in the mid 20s or so looking good to be there and a player people would trade up for, that would be redundant or a luxury for us, falling to 19. It is a very specific scenario that if it doesn’t come together, it just doesn’t. But if it did…

With this guy in charge now, the game could be moved to Europe next year.

You are confusing me now with the 2 at the same time stuff. The question we should be asking is simply what are his prospects 2-4 years down the road? Does this prevent him from returning to his pre injury level or will it leave him degraded? And if yes then how much? In a best case we may be able to get a handle on that by November/December, if he heals up cleanly and rehabs with no setbacks. Which is helpful for next year and maybe beyond.

Brooks … was that but may no longer be that. After 2 ACLs he is a lottery ticket. We don’t know. If we ever did. If we want to be secure in what we can put at RB, we are gonna have to address it as if he isn’t there. Let’s say we do address it successfully and he shines and then we are overcrowded. Trade deadline, someone can move out.

It was sarcasm. There's no guarantee for the next three. Bussi should have started the first 3 games with a day off in between and let Freddie have the last game of the trip which is a b2b. Much better chance of coming away with 6 of 8 points rather than beings odds-on favorite to get 4 and Saturday night is another crap shoot with Freddie in net.

To add context. I Think it's worse today like if two people had both injuries at the same time. One ACL the other ruptured patellar. Like you would be worse off trying to live regular life in the short term with ruptured patellar getting around. But I haven't seen where it's always wearing down and the risk of aggravating it and reinjuring it are as high as say a ACL. Also I don't think the recovery time is as long as an ACL injury.

The context is, we still need multiple starters and we have more issues than decent picks.

I was looking for lingering at 35, or 25. Because if 35 that isn’t a big consideration for a 25 year old football player. Or however old Icky is. It’s okay if you don’t know, I am not demanding you give me a definite answer… you just provided the info that someone else maybe could have added some better context to

Probably I feel the same way just don't understand the sentiment of if he's on the board let's trade down or he's not worth it ignore trade out if this guy is there

Agree. I can't hold him to wins/losses (that's a team stat), but he has to command the offense and put up more competitive numbers. In my opinion, there should be enough on the offense to have success right now before the draft and FA - even with Yosh as the starting LT. 2nd year TMac, 3rd year Coker, 2nd year Etienne, 2nd year Horn, 2nd year Evans, 3rd year Sanders, Chuba, and Tremble. If Brooks is back to form, then that's the homerun threat we've been missing out of the backfield. If BY starts reading deep to shallow, instead of shallow to deep, then you'd likely get something out of Legette too. Either way, it's enough to put together a "respectable" offense without so many complete lapses in games. Difference between me and you is I think his biggest issue is not being aggressive often enough. You seem to think he just doesn't have the physical ability to be a QB in the NFL. This may be his last chance in Carolina to prove us wrong. If he doesn't, he'll play 2027 on the 5th year option as they look for his replacement.

I look at this the Opposite. From a talent perspective i think we are Better. IF* and I say this as a if because health permitted. Brooks is better than rico and he's better than Chubba. He would be the most talented running back we have had since Jonathan Stewart. He's big fast catches runs breaks tackles he's a true RB1 when he's healthy. I think for that reason alone you don't spend on Rico if anything maybe some older veteran in free agency

Hes been one of my top targets for pick 19 for a while now. Unfortunately I think he goes a few picks before us though.

I would think RB is high on their list. I think we need a bowling ball that can catch. Like Tolbert. Young throws so many balls near the LOS you could get a lot out of the right RB.

I really can’t stress enough how bad this offense could look next season with Rico likely gone. Not just cause my faith in Bryce is low but we have so few chain movers outside of Tmac things could look brutal….maybe Dan and Dave sort it out in FA but I doubt it.

If he is so desirable, trade out of the pick and set ourselves up to get the overall team straight. Get your explosive from later speedy WR. Or not. We have done enough loading up with high pick receiving options for a guy that may not throw 20 balls a game. If you want to get Anything out of that QB you have to protect him. Having all the receivers in the world is wasted without that. ps besides, if you want more receiving with this guy we have at QB it is better to look at getting it from the RB position.

I think like lingering issues. You don't want Jonathan Brooks part 2 where you hold your breath Everytime he goes down. I am not a doctor but I don't think it's a will never be the same like degenerative thing like ACLs can be

I think we're largely speaking the same language. It's put up or shut up for Bryce Young this year.

The cap can be manipulated yes but it's always a matter of time before you have to eat a shīt sandwich. And the perception of that hinges on how well you are doing. When things are going good and your team is winning it's more palatable. But that has not always been the case with our Panthers at all. I do not think we should be "all in" by any means at this juncture. How we do this season will determine that down the line. As of right now we should not be looking to mortgage the future for one of the worst passing offenses in the league.

I don't think you can compare any of those guys to Sidiq. Like none of them demand coverage. None of them are anything before or after the catch. Sidiq is. At the 19th getting an elite player at one aspect of anything is rare. Can you find starters at 19 absolutely. But can you find the fastest player ever at the position at 19? No that would be a blessing.

What is the context of long term? NFL career or lifetime? That would matter.

It would be par for the course I guess. But splurging on a splashy TE, when we have had decent production by committee and have many other needs, is not a brilliant plan. If this is about replacing Tremble, there are guys in FA.

If you’re drafting a guy like Sadiq who looks like Vernon Davis lite then you do so to make him a big part of your offense. He isn’t my preferred choice but I won’t hate the pick just because the offense looked bleak for good parts of the season and that was with Rico going off….