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Their health insurance is only seasonal. If the union is so powerful they should be able to use their leverage to negotiate a compensation package that wouldn't have the refs continuing to work their lawyer day jobs.

Like not even a in retrospect…. I saw it in real time and was like WTF

Pretty much. Making the playoffs for the first time in forever would be fun and with the Bucs in freefall it's still very possible. But I also realize that whoever wins this shitty division is probably just gonna be a doormat for a legit playoff team in the first round of the playoffs. We've only beaten two likely playoff teams and we had the good fortune of facing both of them in poor weather conditions limiting the effectiveness of their more potent offenses. It's been nice to have games in late November and December that are actually relevant and the two best rookie QBs this season being drafted in the late 1st and early 2nd round give me a grain of hope that maybe we could luck into the same.

Agreed. I can’t put the loss on him, but today further cemented in my head that he’s not the guy. Not being able to do a sneak is ridiculous. Today also made me really realize that Canales is likely not going to get us where we need to go. Today’s outcome was very predictable. This team just can’t handle real pressure situations. Canales called a terrible game. I looked at Bryce right before our last 4th qtr drive, and said yea, a 3 and out is incoming

Not contrarian at all... Philosophical. Look back at the Parcells quote mentioned above. It's a valid take. And as always, I'm in no way arguing that Bryce is or should be thought of as a franchise QB. Where I disagree is that a lot of the arguments being used to make that point are just plain terrible. Bryce is not the worst quarterback in history. Suggesting that is dumb. Neither is he even the worst quarterback in the NFL right now. Hell, he's not even in the bottom tier. And no, he isn't the primary reason for every game we've lost. Hell, I wouldn't even put him in the first, second or third tier of reasons we lost today. But here's the thing... None of those things have to be true to justify the argument to move on from him. Yet so many on here are pushing that point using arguments that are weak, lazy, emotional, irrational, illogical and hyperbolic to the point of being downright silly. (I would have said "logic" rather than risk sounding redundant by using "arguments" again, but none of what I'm describing rises to the level of being called "logic") You wanna argue for moving on from Bryce? Fine, I'm on your side... ...but don't do it like it's being done here. Acknowledge reality. Accept that Bryce is indeed capable of being a good quarterback... because he is. To deny that ranks on an equal intellectual level as saying we should have moved on from Cam Newton because he wasn't athletic enough But he's not good enough, and you don't have to exaggerate the bad or deny the good to prove it. Doing so doesn't make your position look better. It actually makes it look weaker.

shough outplayed young this game. with that said young didnt play bad was actually probably the 4th or 5th best game he has had in thr nfl. he seemed to play his worse when the game was on the line which was odd but he played well alot of the game made some big throws wrs were open all over and we still lost would love for dc to just let young sling it all over the last few games. its been 3 years we shouldnt still be excited about a 150 yard no turnover game but thats how bad the qb play has been for a while. if byoung fails miserably passing alot last few games so be it it shows he isnt the answr. i have been way off the byoung train for a while but wanting him to prove me wrong or 100% correct bc lower end middle of road qb is only gonna doom the panthers to nfc south garbage for years to come

I will take solace in the fact that my high school football team won the state title Friday night. First time in 47 years! Go Watauga Pioneers! You know what I saw in that push for the title? A team in the quarter and semi-finals that made crucial plays when it was needed most. That's an element this Panthers team greatly needs. The players HAVE to step up and make makes... plain and simple!

Playing soft every snap and evero is pissed?

How would it even benefit them to be full time? They’d probably lose some abilities to work in other jobs with a full time clause. It’s a 50+ year old labor union and the amount they get paid compared to hours worked, they still receive retirement benefits and health insurance, and after the replacement refs fiasco last time they will probably get a sweetheart deal again. And when requires they are obviously still complicit as they have been since the beginning of the union in nudging games the way the NFL needs them to go.

The Saints defense has held opposing offenses to 17 or less points only 3 times this year, the Giants and us twice. Outside of the Giants, why is this the only offense that can't drop more than 17 on the Saints defense? Hmmm...

I know he likes being aggressive, but that seemed to be a little too aggressive there. Not sure why were chasing points with the lead there. Rico averaged 3.1 yards this game and Chiba averaged 3.6 we could run on them first game and neither in this one. Field goal was the better play.

No issue going for it on 4th and inches. That's the dagger if you convert that.

Do you happen to have a screen shot of the 2 slides for the saints?

I gotcha. I mean, contact already is made with the defender in your freeze frame…and he isn’t down. He is trying to fall while being hit. Shough was butt on ground before contact. QBs are getting the Shough calls 100% of the time now that Cam is gone. Maybe Tom Brady can get the call on the Bryce one.

And if you don’t feel comfortable with Bryce running a sneak, then have a back or a tight end handle the snap and get it done. Pathetic we can’t even call the play because we don’t have any faith in the execution. Hell, sign Cam off the street to run it.

I hope they commit to him, he's clearly not very good. Fool's gold.

We have a big strong QB and can pick up a foot with ease ... Oh wait. Definitely should have kicked the fg to go up 10 with like 10 to play

lmao I was trying to put that into perspective for the Young simps. Like what does it tell you that we win by a field goal with a +3 turn over margin.

Just for more fun… Also the best rushing teams in the league this year so far are Buffalo, Chicago and Indy. No need to even post Josh Allen lol. We know what that looks and reads like. Already posted Caleb. And Danny Dimes was having an incredible year before the injuries caught up with him, and so they signed 44 year old Phillip Rivers off his couch after not playing for 5 years and he came out and put up a stat line that Bryce usually does in his athletic prime and 3 years into his career, practicing and playing everyday.

I’m not being cute and I’ve seen a fair amount of football. Can someone walk me into the rationale of that

As a body language expert…. https://x.com/gabemcdonald_/status/2000364863840014502?s=46

I haven't been genuinely upset since probably the Steelers game in 2018. Pretty pissed today

I haven’t said poo about Evero’s issues being Bryce’s fault. That’s your strawman. Not mine. Yes, Scot, let’s delve further into run heavy offenses and look at what their QBs look like… hell, I even threw our own Jake into the fold for shits and giggles. Now Jake wasn’t much of a scrambler, but there is one really glaring stat that sticks out in each of these comparisons. Jake’s was better. In fact, every QB I compared Bryce to had a better number there. Furthermore, each averages at least 10 more yards a game than Bryce. Jalen and Lamar also are legit weapons as runners, which contributes to their scheme, Bryce is not. We barely run any option because they don’t want Bryce to get broken. So he is mostly just a passer who occasionally scrambles well. Bryce is closer to Jake’s 59% completion pct. than Jalen or Lamar’s 64%+, and those are again, “running QBs.” All three comps average more YPG, which may not seem huge but is significant. All have a higher QB rating than Bryce. edit: just for fun, because I’m sure some would argue Hurts and Jackson are unfair comparisons because they are elite so we shouldn’t expect that. Check out Case Keenum and Tyler Huntley compared to Bryce. They are considered backups/stopgap QBs who occasionally found their way into starting roles. Still better than Bryce. And this is beyond statistics. When I watch Keenum, I don’t think: “damn, if he would’ve just made that throw.” “Damn, he’s holding them back.” “Damn, they can’t run that play because he’s in there.” “Damn, he missed a wide open receiver again.” “Damn, they’re mostly just running 5 yard hooks across the width of the field.” “Damn, he goes down easy!” “Damn, he can’t run a QB sneak.” “Damn, what a weak ass throw.” Huntley was undrafted and looks like a better QB than Bryce, even without seeing the stats. Bryce is a net negative. When every game we play, the opposing QB is better than ours, we are already playing at a huge disadvantage, so w shave to hope beyond hope that the rest of the team plays perfect, or damn near. That’s a ridiculous standard, especially when the biggest problem we consistently have is at the most important position on the field.

I mean its not like Tampa is much better. This division is nothing to write home about

lol I was in a parking lot on my phone and i had the exact same thoughts as you. I normally can’t stand RG3 he gets on my nerves but he was absolutely right about us the entire game