CPcavedweller

We don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 right now. We don't have the ends, we don't have the linebackers. Our secondary should be good to go as they can play man on the outside. Horn isn't going to be wasted playing Free Safety. He can cover man up really well and you'll need that when you're covering space given up by the 4th rusher. I love odd man fronts but fans really need to understand that this, like under Ron when he was going to make the change, will be a process. Tepper needs to get out of the way and understand that he has a good staff and it will take time to get dudes in place. Haynes and Burns are the only true fits in the front 7 right now. I'd look for us to take a guy like Jerrod Clark out of Coastal Carolina. 6'4 350 lbs and has an explosive first step as well as the ability to anchor a 0 tech. Derrick Brown could be a 3 or 5 tech, Burns can slide down inside or even play the dog position. You could draft a guy like Nick Hampton out of App State to also run dog as he can cover and rush, almost identically to Burns considering he's 6'3 with like 83 inch arms or something ridiculous. Runs a 4.5 to 4.6 40. Might take a guy like Bumper Pool, All-American ILB out of Arkansas. He's not a speed demon but he is a very good football player. Everyone I mentioned will likely be Day 3 picks. If we want to win sooner rather than later, I think we have to trade down to stack defensive talent. What do the Eagles and 49er's have? Great defensive players all over the Front 7. If we trade up to get a QB we are going to delay any progress on a defensive transition. Ron wasn't given time, let's see if Tepper will be patient this time around. If he had given Ron another three years instead of Rhule I could almost guarantee we would've been in the playoffs again. Rash decision making rarely works out in this sport.

This all just went out of the window now that we have to undertake a scheme change. You're looking at a trade down, or two, ro get picks and then drafting a guy like Jake Haener in the 4th. We now have to go defense early to get those transition pieces. That is unless we completely disregard the identity of this franchise and feel we can outscore everyone to a championship which, in the NFL, isn't a recipe for success. Ask the Vikings and the Lions.

My only concern is now we have a personnel issue on defense. We tried switching to an odd man front with Rivera and it didn't go well, which we knew it wouldn't because it was year 1. Tepper reacted by firing Ron and hiring Rhule, switching back to a 4-3 with guys we drafted to run a 3-4. Now three years later we are back to a 3-4 and start the process we should've continued with in 2020 AGAIN. So what does that look like in Year 1? Ron Rivera, one of the most respected defensive coaches in the league couldn't pull it off in one year, can this guy? My guess is no. So then does Tepper have the patience?

Torrance is that good. A great offensive line can mask issues at QB, RB, receiver, and head coach. It's literally your front line of defense of the QB and you're saying it doesn't matter? Do you recall 2015? We would have three to four Pro Bowl quality offensive linemen, a 2nd year QB in Corral, Moore, Marshall, Mims, Charbonnet, Frank Reich as the Head Coach, Evers as DC with Eli Ricks, Horn, Burns, Jackson, Haynes, Brown, et. al. I get the sentiment you have and normally I'd agree but I saw quite a bit of Torrance at Louisiana and then he just proved himself, and what many already knew, when he transferred to Florida. He's an All-Pro caliber player. I think that if you want to amass picks to build out the core talent of the team, you trade down in the first, maybe twice, and take him. Getting multiple Day 2 picks to scoop up the guys that most of you don't know. Again, I said this is what I'd do. Doesn't mean it's what you want to do. I'm working under the assumption that Reich likes Corral/Darnold coming back and feels we can see what we have while stockpiling young talent. That young talent may not do everything in 2023, so you may just suck enough to get an elite QB next season amd then catapult with the crop of guys I've proposed as well as a Rookie QB. But I'm not a GM and none of that's going to happen so Pull your panties out of your ass and calm down.

The last time we tried switching to an odd front after Tepper the defensive coach was fired mid-season, then we went back to a 4-3. Tepper can't keep changing his mind on scheme like this. This isn't college where you Pull guys in the portal and just wallah...fixed. I get the hire but he's going to need a good two to three seasons to complete the transition. Unless he wants to go multiple, we now have to commit draft picks to the defense and Free Agency just to make a scheme change rather than to build out the core of the roster. I won't be surprised if it doesn't work in Year 1 and by mid year 2 Tepper is losing his poo as he's been known for. Buckle up guys, 2023 is going to be bumpy. Tank for Maye/Williams is incoming.

Well, time to see if his success was due to Jimmy's and Joe's or X's and O's.

Wr have a Rookie 3rd rounder that we traded up to get. He also didn't have a real off-season last year because we were trying to get a short-term fix to a long-term problem. Giving him 10 snaps per practice at training camp and then throwing him in for a full two quarters in preseason was a massive problem and it was Rhule's fault. With an actual NFL staff, I'll be excited to see what Corral can do, given proper opportunities. Corral fits exactly what Reich wants so that may be part of what enticed him to come here. Ask yourself this, what would Corral have looked like in San Fransisco? I can't help but believe he would've had quite a bit of success as well. Maybe especially so due to his mobility and quick release. People are sleeping on this dude for absolutely no reason. They saw the preseason games and hardly anyone remembers how Rhule was diving up reps to QB's. Dude has some elite physical traits and appears to have the leadership factor, given the opportunity. There is a lot to like.

Our offense could be very attractive if my Mock Drafts work out. Anthony Richardson/trade down and get O'Cyrus Torrance, Dalton Kincaid, Zach Charbonnet, Mims... With Reich's system fitting Corral well, I'd be will to go with the trade down and grab the best OG, RB, TE, and one of the more underrated receivers. But...im not drafting so none of that poo is going to happen. We are going to mortgage our future for a middling QB and it's going to be the same dog and pony show for the next five years. My picks sees us add potential Pro Bowl guys at important offensive positions. There are some good Day 3 candidates at edge rusher, corner, and safety. And if you don't like the Kincaid pick you could likely get Will Mallory in the 5th round (Greg Olsen incarnate in my opinion).

It would be a promotion considering he was the secondary coach last year coming in. They could have at least discussed the option as DC considering the last time the Panthers were in the playoffs was with Wilks as DC.

But for what? This year's 1st, next year's 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 2025 1st? Seriously, just draft Anthony Richardson if that's what it's going to cost. Or even trade down a few picks, still get Richardson, pick up another 2nd, draft receiver, tight end, and maybe Charbonnet at running back (6'1 225 4.45 40) and re-sign Foreman. Draft Mims in the 4th. LSU CB Rick's in the 3rd.

Would be good but Anderson and Gibbs aren't falling that far.

Will Mallory would absolutely be worth a flyer late. He's not an elite athlete but neither was Greg Olsen.

He is more like Josh Allen. The Cam comparison literally only comes from them being black and I wish people would look more at things like Arm strength, throwing motion, movement, fluidity, etc. He is like Cam in that he can run. But he's more like Allen in how he runs, how he throws, the reads he's making, etc. I don't want another Cam who was slow to read defenses every year but, and even in, 2015. Love the guy and what he did but I'd rather have an Allen type such as Richardson than a Cam type.

He was a 1st round pick before 2022 happened. Not sure I understand why.

Well, you and I should be friends. Torrance, Kincaid, and Mims are a must now. Or just Kincaid and Mims.

Sort of like this better. 22. O'Cyrus Torrance - G Florida - Absolute road grader having watched him at Louisiana and then at Florida 58. Dalton Kincaid - TE Utah Could develop into one of the next great tight ends in the NFL 61. Zach Charbonnet - RB UCLA Day 1 starter 90. Hendon Hooker - QB Tennessee Taken in the 3rd round, he's given time to develop at minimal cost 93. Marvin Mimms - WR Oklahoma - Vertical field maker which, along with Kincaid, would open up a whole new world for the Panthers offense 132. Mekhi Gardner - CB LSU - Know the name, don't know much about him other than I think he was projected as 1 st round pick a couple of years ago. Not sure how he fell off a cliff but his former secondary coach left and that could have something to do with it. Huge value here. 134. Luke Schoonmaker - TE Michigan - When he's not out making schooners, he's dominating safeties. Two capable tight ends, along with Mimms, Moore, Marshall, and Charbonnet give this Panthers offense the potential to be one of the leagues best in two years time 147. Adetomiwa Adebawore - Edge Northwestern - Incredible drop for such a talented player. May be one of those late round guys you usually see other teams get and make you ask how they dropped so far 150. Jammie Robinson - S Florida State - Huge upside, very heady player who could call the defense with some seasoning 159. Nick Hampton - Edge App State - The doctor called and gave me a prescription for more pass rush. This guy is Brian Burns v 2.0 without 3 down potential. Amazing bend, 4.5 speed at 6'4 240 lbs. Watched him all his career at App State and many South Carolina fans may remember him as 31 who just wrecked the game, along with current Bengal's linebacker Akeem Davis-Gaither. Those guys shut it down at the end. Had a sack at Texas A&M and I believe 2.5 against UNC this year. Amazing value potential here.

Pick 9. Anthony Richardson - QB Florida Pick 39. Dalton Kincaid - TE Utah Pick 61. Marvin Mimms WR Oklahoma Pick 93. Zach Charbonnet RB UCLA Pick. 114. Tyrique Stevenson CB Miami Pick 132. Ventrell Miller LB Florida Pick 147. Nick Hampton LB/DE Pass rush specialist App State I didn't trade and went BPA early. Stroud was available at 9 but Richardson's upside is undeniable, especially if the Panthers end up with the Eagles QB Coach at OC. You can roll with a new 6'5 tight end who can block and catch, a speedy slot type receiver to attack and stretch the field vertically, Charbonnet who is a 3 down back with Pro Bowl potential in Year 1. Stevenson to shore up the secondary and potentially develop into a guy, Ventrell Miller to add a rookie to the LB room and hopefully develop. Nick Hampton as a pass rush specialist in a passing league late who may be able to develop into a 3 down roll with some experience and NFL weight training. Reminds me a lot of Brian Burns with his dip and speed. Played his best against P5 competition while at App. Great value pick at 149.

People compare Levis to Allen because they are white. Anthony Richardson is far closer to Josh Allen than anyone I've seen in quite a while.

I think he's more like Josh Allen. Seems to have the release and presence in the pocket to become a Josh Allen type which, in my opinion, is better than Cam Newton. If he's the choice, especially with Reich and a power run game, I won't be mad at it. Trade up into the first to take Jalyn Hyatt out of Tennessee to give you Moore, Hyatt, and Marshall, along with re-signing Foreman, and I'm good. I'd be good seeing Richardson start as a rookie if we have enough talent around him. I also trust we have a head coach who knows how to run Training Camp unlike Matt Rhule. The one thing I do not want is for the Panthers to trade our 1st this year and next year along with more 2nd or 3rd round picks to move up for Levis, Stroud, or Young.

I'd take Anthony Richardson. I don't care to trade away our future for any QB's available. If it was Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow...sure. but there is no guy like that here.

Tepper has an executive team made up mostly of women. I'm not saying this is an issue, but what are the odds that this team was made up of mostly women, and he was choosing the best candidate, in the NFL, for the job? He is focusing on diversity in his executive team but not in leadership of the group on the field which tells me that it's a facade. Now I'm all for hiring whomever, including Steve Wilks as HC, but you have to hire the best people you can find without attributing anything else to them but their abilities. Steve Wilks demonstrated his ability at a superior level to many other interim and full Head Coaches who are still under contract right now. Mike McDaniel, Josh McDaniels, Brandon Staley, Todd Bowles, etc. and deserved this job. I'm not sure what else the man has to do to get a fair shake at a Head Coaching position? Yet we went for Reich, which I get. You want an offensive minded coach. However for the executive team, I'd like to see who he has chosen and how he has chosen because those types of decisions have huge impacts downstream. Hiring under qualified people in leadership positions leads to functional issues similar to what we've seen thus far.

We don't need to trade draft picks for either. We have a former NFL QB as Head Coach now, a guy who is similar to Andy Reid in what he can when given the chance to develop someone with a skillset. Someone like Matt Corral, Sam Darnold, or Anthony Richardson. So I'll sell you both of these dudes for a penny if it means taking out a 2nd mortgage at today's ridiculous interest rates on the future to get them.

What did Josh Allen run at Wyoming? Patrick Mahomes ran the most basic offense you could possibly run in college and look at him. If you wanted a coach who could make a guy like Corral a super star, you got him. That said, I'm in favor of drafting Richardson. Dude is Josh Allen v 2.0.

Man, I wanted to see him in Vegas with McDaniels once more. Maybe knock the Chiefs down a peg for at least one season.

Not if the contract says you forego your right to that cash in the event you get another paying job in x amount of time.