DaveThePanther2008

Since when is a top 5 QB in the NFL the same as a top 5 pick? Being a top 5 pick does not make you a Top 5 QB in the NFL.

To answer the Question. Trade down and get Richardson. Guys got a cannon. Stroud and the OSU label worry me. (BTW I am a huge OSU fan) Young impressed me in the one game I saw but I am terrified of his size. It's not because he can't play the position but when you have a beast LB baring down on your blind side he's going to get destroyed. He sprained his shoulder against Arkansas, and it wasn't a vicious hit. Wait until he gets drilled once or twice. Love the talent, hate the size.

Fair enough on Russell but there a hundred of other top picks that just didn't pan out. Tanking for one doesn't automatically change your direction. It only shows your desperate. WRONG!!!! You guys just brush him off as an afterthought and ASS-U-ME that because he was a 3rd round QB that he can't or won't compete for the job. There isn't a Burrow or Herbert or even a Lawrence in this draft class that would win the job outright. My contention is and most likely accurate, Corral will compete for the position. If he doesn't beat the guy out, so be it, but he'll get an opportunity to compete. You guys think he has no chance, I don't agree. You tankers want a QB regardless of other needs and that only 1 or 2 are acceptable. Anything less is a road down to mediocrity. I say with this draft class if you have a better opportunity to go down that road anyhow.

In fairness, I don't know if he is or isn't better but what I do know is that he'll compete for the starting job. I don't give a rats @SS if that QB is the #1 pick. He's not going to be given the keys without earning it. Anyone that believes that the head coach is going to give the rookie QB the starting job without working for it, is insane. To the chagrin of our Tanker counterparts that believe a drafted QB has the job and it's his to lose, they are wrong. He may be given every opportunity to win it, but Corral is going to be out there showing he is as good if not better. T

Most will also agree several talking heads had him as the best QB in the draft and his stock dropped over some BS off the field statements. I have no issues with drafting a QB but I can guarantee you that Corral will be in the conversation with our prospective head coach. You love riding the injury and lower draft status as if it is your only justification. Many of Corral's traits transition to the NFL quite well. Especially decision making and quick release. He had, by far, the quickest release of any QB in recent drafts including this one. Here's the way I see it. Trade down and get a 1st this year and next. Pick a QB, whoever it may be with the lower pick. Let that QB and Corral compete. If they both bomb you have 2 first round picks to move up and get a Franchise QB like Maye. And you don't have to tank to do it.

Jamarcus Russel won the national championship with LSU and is considered the biggest bust in NFL history. His college production was amazing. David Carr had an amazing college career and bombed out. Do I need to go on with how great of college production means in the NFL? Fields is 3-8 in his 2nd year. He loves to run, one day that is going to get him destroyed. How does that make him a better prospect. This is a consistent argument for the Tanker crew. They are blah blah blah better than anyone from last year. Alabama is having one of their worst seasons and most likely will miss the playoffs, I guess Young is the scapegoat. He gets all the praise when he wins, why not the losses.

Weak argument, bro. I haven't seen one thing Stroud does great, alot of nice things and some bad things. Young, as I said earlier, his height worries me. I remember RGIII. Fortunately for the Redskins they drafted Cousins. Oh yeah, late in the same draft. Based on? Quick Release, accuracy, mobility, leadership? Or maybe it is just a freak accident with an O-Line that couldn't protect our children (on the field), as you proof they are better. The only thing you truly have is all these talking heads thinks he's ready. Oh that's right, Corral comes from a Pistol offense where he doesn't go under center. Stroud and Young are different because they are thoroughbreds for Alabama and OSU.

So answer me this, why is it Fields gets all the excuses in the world as to why he's not lighting it up yet? However, 99% of the tankers disregard Corral as an afterthought? He's not allowed any leeway based on Rhule's handling of his development. Because he looked terrible in game one but better in game two of a preseason where he saw limited Reps. Why the double standard?

So who you got? Stroud or Young? IMO Stroud is more system than talent. Young as much as I love his skills reminds me of RGIII. 1st time he doesn't slide he's gonna get lit up like a christmas tree and that will be that. Any other QB is not worthy of a high pick. If you insist on a QB in round 1, trade down and get Richardson or the newest old name Rattler later in round 1. There will be several good ones in round two. Though hurt Hooker will be there in round 2, Penix from Oregon, via Indiana. is another. All have talent to play in the NFL and all have the chance to bust. There are several I didn't name but are also interesting prospects. @Aussie Tank wants to just forget about Corral because he got injured in preseason and to date, I believe that was planned. Fun conspiracy theory. Most will agree he got a bum deal in preseason. Most agree that Rhule fugged the Panthers by not developing Corral. Most agree except those that want a QB in top of round 1. They want their shiny new toy even though they have one aleady.

No one said we weren't drafting a QB. I just don't think so in the 1st round.

And how many wins? What's the difference? 3-8 is 3-8 and this is with a 2nd year QB. I guarantee you, if Fields was on this team the huddle would be screaming to tank for another QB.

Jones maybe. Hell the 6th round rookie just might eventually be better than Jones. Justin Fields has won as many games as our QBs have. Not much to get excited about. I'm sure that if he was a Panther the same group would be calling for us to Tank again.

And the passing game was elite right? Play action meant nothing. Can't run the ball if you can't pass. Pretty easy to stack the box and make us beat you through the air.

If you want us to tank, it's a loser's mentality. It's that simple. We've discussed this on here and most tankers believe there are only 2 players in the entire draft worthy of being picked up. You don't reach for a QB that has too many question marks. Every single QB in this draft has an upside and downside. We'll most likely be in the top 5 and I will not be surprised if we trade down.

Why not just pull the defense. Carolina will score two plays later.

That pass interference coming down the stretch. Mike T. just said they had been going at it all night. Kelce gets away with bullying and pushing off DBs and gets away with it. The refs should have let that go. It wasn't blatant. Mahomes is Goodell's love child and wants him in the Super Bowl. Gatta pull a string or two to make that happen. EVERY SINGLE GAME, KC gets a break from refs going down the stretch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA And we want to tank for a QB in this upcoming draft. NONE of them can carry Herbert's jockstrap. OH the irony.

This is a terrible list. Maybe we should just require the defense not to rush the QB for 3 seconds too. I sure hope it is sarcasm.

It's the Perennial fantasy football league mentality. As soon as you are out of contention you start trading all your players away for draft picks next year. Only to have another losing season. Rinse and Repeat. I can't and never will rout for a loss. If we lose, so be it but I want us to fight until the end. The players will do the same. It's a loser's mentality to want to tank every season. It's been that way for the past 3+ years. Maybe we should just IR everyone and let our PS guys play next year so we have a shot at Maye.

Hate to break it to you. There isn't a Franchise QB in this draft. Some could but I don't see a Mahomes or Herbert in this draft. More Mac Jones and Justin Fields. MR. AVERAGE

Did you watch the game. This defense shut down one of the most potent teams in the NFL and if it weren't for some late turnovers we could have at least tied. The defense was the best I've seen this year. It's sad our offense couldn't take advantage of our defensive Brillance.

It is so sad that we wasted such a great performance by the defense. Baltimore is a potent offense and we held them to 3 points for most of the game. Thanks Shi and Mayfield. Mayfield looked like he was standing on hot coals.

I am not sure if he is totally involved with play calling now. I really think his input is primarily during the game planning stage and in game/halftime adjustments. After these inputs I believe he leaves the playcalling to the OC. I wouldn't think there would be much of a change with a new OC. An innovative OC is my desire. Someone that uses misdirection, rollouts, double moves, TEs and of course a solid running game. Outside of Chudzinski, I feel we always seem to have a conservative OC. Those types of OC are pretty easy to game plan against. This is where I feel McAdoo sits.

I'm still tossed on whether Wilks in the answer, however, being a head coach is getting the most out of your coordinators and players. Someone who can motivate and get players to play to their full potential. Wilks has shown he can do this. Wilks in a motivator and the players are buying into his leadership. I get everyone wants a young offensive minded head coach. I wouldn't mind one either. That said, a young offensive minded head coach may not be a good motivator. He may know his Xs and Os but can he get the most out of the team offensively and defensively. I get that many of you don't want a repeat of Rivera and Fox. Fox did very well when he had Dan Henning as his coordinator. McDermott is doing great in Buffalo, Salah is doing well with the NYJ. Many want Demarco Ryans in Buffalo What I do want to see from Wilks is a solid effort against someone other than a weak NFCS team. The Rams blew us out, as well as Cincinnati. The only games we've been in were against TB and 2x Atlanta. Show me you have a game plan to stop a good Baltimore team. Our remaining Schedule and I know the Tankers will have a fit but this is what I think Wilks needs to show that he can win in this league as a head coach. Baltimore - I would like to see a competitive game. I would love to see a win but at minimum we need to be in this game going into the 4th Quarter Denver - traded away a bunch of picks for Wilson and it looks like his magic is gone. We are at home and Wilks needs to show we need to protect our turf. Seattle - After a bye, this will be a telling game for Wilks. He'll have 2 weeks to prepare, and this team needs to show they can dance with a good team. Pittsburgh - At home again and the Steelers are beatable. As with Denver we need to win at home. Detroit - They have a terrible defense but a potent offense. At home gotta win this. Tampa and New Orleans. We beat both of them early in the season. Wilks needs to show this team has improved over the course of the season and win on the road. IMO, as long as we don't get blown out and go 5-2. He needs to win all three of our home games, he might have a chance. If we are blown out, in any game, like Cincinatti or go less than 5-2, I think he loses his chance for 2023.

Of course. That is why we need to trust the evaluators and stop listening to those that talk some of these guys up.