DaveThePanther2008

I would rather be a homer and hope each game we play well than to be Mr Tank every season so we can get your favorite College player. I've been a member of this forum for most of its existence and many that are with me are always pulling for a win regardless of record. Can't you enjoy the day. We beat the hated Bucs.

If you're pissed off because we ruined your dream of the first pick. Please pick another team to cheer for. The Panthers didn't just win this game. The DOMINATED THE BUCS. Our defense is legitimate top 10 and will keep us in games. WAY TO GO PANTHERS

This has been my point all along. Many coaches, GM and even owners have said. Once you hit camp your draft status means nothing. Corral is expected to miss OTA, and minicamps. They don't do a bunch of hitting there anyhow. It's not impossible for Corral to be ready to compete in August when Camp starts. Uphill battle, no doubt, impossible I don't think so.

Many don't like Fitterer but it's hard to tell when Rhule had his finger on the draft especially 2021. Marshall seems to be a Brady pick because he played at LSU. I'm not 100% convinced he can't still be a good pick. However, we did get two solid picks in Horn and Christensen. Icky was a solid pick and we didn't miss on him. Corral is a complete unknown which really sucks because we are forced to take a QB in this draft. I still have high hopes Brandon Smith comes around. He has shown he's got so skills. That said, if we somehow obtain multiple 1st round picks we need to hit 100% on each of them. If the value is not there for our needs, trade down or trade for 2024.

@rayzor His idea is to gut the team now including Horn and Moore. If you get picks this year you can trade those picks for picks next year while also gaining capital this year. I personally don't want to see any more of our talent traded away but if you are going to trade Burns than we are in full rebuild mode and accumulating picks will be the draw for a new head coach.

Makes sense. The more picks in 2023 the better. I'm not talking rounds 4-7. I am talking rounds 1-3. These are the rounds where you can get starter talent. I am in agreement with a couple of the other posters. If Philly is in the Burns sweepstakes than their two first round picks puts them at the head of the line. The other players you mentioned we MUST get good value for them. I don't want to see DJ or Horn go for any less than what we drafted them plus some. Moore and Horn are 1st rounders. I want 1st rounders and at minimum one additional day 2 pick. If you are going to gut this team and rebuild. Than, I would like most of those picks this year and some next. Just imagining our own 1st, Philly's two 1st, two additional 1st for Horn and DJ. That's 5 first rounders. Currently two 2nds, three 3rds (Horn and DJ) and our lower round picks. You could take a couple of those 1st rounders, trade down for even more picks. We would make a huge haul as long as Fitterer doesn't pull a Hurney with the 2nd rounders. That said we would be looking at another losing season in 2023 only because we have so many inexperienced players but going into 2024. Watch out.

So you're saying our new head coach is going to hand the job to #1 pick. OK if you say so. BUT YOU'RE WRONG as usual

The whole point of the conversation is whoever is going to be our HC is going to let both QBs compete for the job. No HC is going to just give the job to the #1 pick. It is not a good move by any coach just to hand the job at any position to a high draft choice. Most coaches say, draft position doesn't matter once you start workouts. Tell me I'm wrong.

I agree the new coach is going to give his opinion on who the best QB in the draft is and will want him to succeed. That said, any coach worth his salt is going to let them compete and if his pick is the better player than he'll start. However, if Corral outplays him he is not going to snub him and go with his pick just to prove his pick is right. Unless his name is Matt Rhule. This is also a unique situation where you have a QB that was drafted the previous year without any tape on him. Corral has attributes that any coach would be happy to work with.

Same as you can't bet on any of these QBs in this draft class to be Allen, Hebert or Burrows. I good coach is going to put the best player out there regardless of draft order.

And I am saying that is a foolish thing to do. You give your young QBs an equal opportunity and whoever plays better wins the job.

Never said he was a sure thing. My point is that he should get an opportunity to compete for the job. @stan786 implies that Corral won't get shot and will be nothing but an afterthought.

Yeah and based on history there are many #1 picks that are busts. We got one on our roster!!!

You're just so sure that Corral is a bust, I get it. You'd rather believe that our first round pick is automatically the answer. GOT IT. I'll wait until the offseason and see for myself. It benefits us that we give both a clean shot. If one outshines the other but both play well, we have trade capital.

You nor I know truthfully, you make assumptions base off two preseason games on a QB that never got any real reps or your desire to have Stroud or Young.

Very short sided opinion. Kind of like how Atlanta treated Favre huh? Or Tampa treated Steve Young. Or SD did with Brees. Better yet, GB did with Warner.

Not even close. He might be third if we bring a vet in but he's not going to the practice squad. We'd lose him in a minute.

I wouldn't mind seeing Minshew TBH. Stop gap only.

So you're saying PJ and Corral competed....That's the funniest thing you said during this little debate. You and I both know that was never the case. PJ nor Corral were given any decent time under center during camp. Rhule never gave Corral a shot. Rhule was ecstatic that Corral got hurt because PJ was going to be on the roster at all cost including keeping 4 QBs.

Corral has some amazing traits or as you say raw talent. We'll see. The new HC will definitely have an input into the QB he wants to work with but No coach, outside of Rhule, is going to be tunnelvisioned to just one QB including his draft choice. I get he'll favor him some but it's not impossible for any QB on the roster to beat him out.

Because he's a QB on our roster and should be competing with whoever we draft and whatever vet we bring in to start.

I would agree with that however, Young and Stroud come from the elite schools in CFB. Ole Miss isn't as recognizable as Bama and OSU. We are drafting a QB so it will be interesting to see how that plays out in the offseason. I would also imagine we are going to sign a veteran to start the season.

You must not have followed preseason. Most would agree that Rhule wasn't going to give Corral a true shot. PJ is on the Panthers only because Rhule wanted him. He's only on the roster because we don't have a QB. Many of the huddlers, including myself, said when Rhule pulled his stunt on Corral, it was going to force us to take a QB in this years draft. I'm not going to get into the argument that our incoming rookie is 100% better than Corral. No one can say one way or the other until we actually see them play. I have no doubt that we are choosing a QB in this draft, but to anoint him the starter just because he was chosen #1. The bust rate for #1 QB is very possible. IMO none of the QBs in this draft are surefire franchise QBs. If there was, this forum would 95% be onboard with one QB.

That's a foolish approach. You have to give Corral an opportunity to compete. No one in here can truly say he's bust. While the rookie may start the offseason as #1 you have to give both the opportunity to show what they can do. I'm not implying whatsoever that Corral is better than any QB in this draft but he should and most likely will get an opportunity to compete for the position. My point is, if he were to win than that #1 pick just went to waste.

So are you saying that the 2023 rookie is the starter no matter what? Thanks to Rhule's we have no true gauge on how Corral can play. I would think that there would be a true competition. We'll have a new offense so neither QB will have an edge.