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Most have said this, but EDGE, IDL, and LB'er are higher on the list IMO at the moment. Other than Brandon Smith, I don't think we've drafted an off-ball LB'er the last 3 years have we...?

Honesty, with DJ, TMJ, Shenault, Higgins, and Smith we have a competent WR group, FA or depending on if we trade back in the 2nd could see someone added. QB play / OC improves this dramatically. TE - I think FA is still an option, but again QB play / OC is the primary issue. DT - Brown is proving to be ''elite'', McCall has been a good space eater (listed at 380 on some sites), adding a guy via FA is likely, I wouldn't be surprised to see an Io extension. DE - Depends on the front you want to run, 43 or 34, we won't know until we have a new coach, likely addressed via draft. Barno adding to his frame is a potential option he has the same measurables as Burns. LB - Shaq, Smith, Luvu, off ball LB'ers are relatively cheap, and also not hard to find day 2 / 3 of the draft. Again, the off-season, cap, and draft pick capital are fluid, it's silly to ''worry'' about the 2023 Off-season / Draft''. Fitterer and Morgan seem sharp, I think we will be surprised by how this off-season goes.

He's 28 currently - https://www.google.com/search?q=shaq+thompson+age&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS803US803&oq=shaq+thompson+age&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j0i15i22i30j0i390l4.4039j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 He'll be 29.

If it's via trade I'd be ok with it, Shaq is turning 29, so he's not really in the long term plans. However, I am not adverse to keeping him ''IF"' we can make the money work. For all those that were freaking out about negative caps space, people need to remember how fluid the salary cap actually is, I think we'll be fine once we get to that time of year and begin to make adjustments, etc. I personally want to see more Brandon Smith alongside Shaq, and Luvu.

I believe so, I think the Coach switched happened yr2.

He did the same with Cam, he literally had Cam wearing Panthers gear for his presser vs how he normally dressed. His "brand" suffocated personalities that didn't fit his taste. When guys can't be themselves they typically perform at a lower level, penalizing the team in TC bc of a endzone celebration with Higgins and Baker. Fug that gerbil looking fuggity fug.

Almost like the more reps, and practice you get the better you become...another area we wasted reps with a fake competition between him and Brady.

The biggest thing with even ENTERTAINING trading either is the dead cap and having the receiving tram take on some of that as we already have a negative cap projection for 23'. People need to understand how that functions first, Robbie just signed a restructure this past off-season and we should all understand CMC's contract by now.

And Sheena Quick also reported the same as far as no talks to trade CMC, the Robbie trade seems more believable since we have TMJ, Laviska, Higgins, Smith all as viable options.

I'm pretty sure when Wilks ran the defense after McD left we transitioned to more man + pressures, the heavy zone was under McDermott who was an understudy of Jimmy Johnson in Philly. it's been years since then, but if memory serves that was the case. So even though Wilks as the secondary coach was likely primarily coaching zone it was a result of the defense McDermott wanted to run. We saw Wilks' preference when he took the reigns as it actually started off bad that season, and later I think we ended up finishing in the top 10. Right now front wise we make more sense as a 3-4 or 4-3 over / under fronts as a base, and a 2-4 as our nickel package, hopefully the 3-3-5 stuff we saw is tossed, and we get back to more traditional NFL fronts / personnel packages. 3-4 IDL - Io / McCall / Brown Edge - Burns / YGM / Haynes <<< depending on 3-4 or 43 ILB - Shaq / Wilson / Nickel >>> Smith IMO needs to be paired with Shaq, he's our biggest, and most athletic offball LB'er Corner / SS - We already know who belongs in these spots, I will they need to stop asking Henderson to cover the #1 WR, get Jaycee out of the nickel spot and let him travel whether it's zone or man to each boundary, rotate Henderson, and Hartsfield as the nickel based on packages / offensive personnel, I think they were asking too much of Henderson. Pretty much all the issues with him occurred vs the number one receiver.

How could they call out the coach that has that much control, risk losing sources, etc. Most of the people that covered the team routinely dropped clues to the disfunction, micro-management, etc. without outright just saying it.

It's not an ODD move at all, Snow has been Matt Rhule's defensive coordinator since Temple, we're talkin almost 10 years'ish including the time here. Snow was never going to stay once Rhule was shown the door, not to mention Rhule will want him for any college opportunities that may / will arise. I think the requirement to hire coaches with NFL / HC experience was in prep for a day like this, Wilks was a DC and cut his teeth on that side of the ball, and memory serves Al Holcomb has some experience as well.

We don't need to tear down and rebuild we have premium talent at the MOST important positions on this team aside from QB. What this team needs is a QB, and tbf even a rookie doesn't guarantee a change, but it's the natural step. Use the 1st on a QB if high enough, and use the high 2nd to trade back in the second while adding a 3rd and another pick or two in the latter rounds. And as far as guys we could trade for value most of them if not all but Burns who IMO is untouchable all have sizeable dead money. Solve QB, we have the pieces in place to compete.

They both flew out.

Drafted when Hurney was here...

Cap is a myth, see Saints, restructures, pushing money as needed. It's not a big deal because next year isn't here yet.

3rd round picks in most cases are fringe guys as far as a starter goes and can be replaced via trading back as / if needed. We need a new NFL caliber head coach.

Laviska PIEnault

This is EXACTLY what I was going to say, Chuba should have been cut after the PS, and we should have signed a FA as they are not expensive. When we talk about fumbles, missed blocks, dropped passes etc. we have to look at the decisions the COACH makes with the personnel... We split reps with Ickey our 1st round selection number 6 overall with BC and WASTED reps in camp to help speed up his development...why? A 3rd rounder in BC was never going to be him out. We split reps with Baker / Sam, again NO ONE though Sam was going to win, you don't trade for Baker to sit him, so why did we waste those reps. The only other person we really have that's decent at returns is Shi, they had him out there for punts, but not KR, why? We trade for Shenault, we draft TMJ in round 2, we signed a WR that has years of rapport with Baker, and yet we are force feeding Shi Smith....I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but this is the deepest we've ever been at WR, why are we NOT taking advantage of that? So while I agree with players have to execute, coaches have to 1) have a plan that CAN be executed, and 2) they have to put the players in the best position / environment to execute. To me that is what Rhule has failed at since his time here began, overall we have the same issues we had back in 2020, even with an improved roster.

If / when he is fired, promote Wilks, I think he'd relate most to the players and could also take over the defensive play-calling, as you'd have to imagine Snow would leave with Rhule. I think we'd also see a shift in where guys line up on defense, we had Burns drop 15 times into coverage....why? Littleton / Shaq are known more so for their ability to cover why are we LITERALLY dropping our best rusher into coverage....? Do that crap with Luvu or Haynes if you want to disguise a zone pressure.

I'd say the roster as a whole has improved, I don't think that could really be denied, the issue is the coaching at this point seems to hold the roster back. The personnel decisions like not playing TMJ / Higgins, keeping Donte' vs paying for Gilmore or Reddick when we have CJ and Jaycee on rookie deals still. Starting Elf over Boze, and to be fair Elf looked better at C, than LG last year and it has continued into this one. Erving over Brady for so long last year at LT. The ''competitions'' in TC wasting time to build chemistry / install the offense with the guys who would actually be on the field on gameday, NO ONE expected Sam to be announced as the starter. IMO that was Rhule trying to save face for a guy IMO he hand picked as Fitterer had only been here roughly 3 to 4 months before that trade was executed.

No OL, + Darnold, I can't blame last year but so much in that particular dept. I am not a Rhule apologist, that's just the facts, we didn't really have the roster to adjust on offense due to such a poor OL.

Donte' Jackson....Jeremy Chinn....YGM....were the most recent Hurney 2nd round selections, his history before that is 'meh'.

Two years left on a deal for a top 45 pick, part of the negotiation also centers around the fact you have to pay the salary as well. Also JAX had little leverage, so it's all in the hands of the teams that are interested. If you don't like the addition it's whatever, but it's evident looking at the situation / stats / skill set, that we added a player with more potential than a Brandon Zylstra, or Keith Kirkwood. And no one referenced ''bidding war'' you're just using hyperbole to exaggerate the point you are attempting to make. Just like there was interest from several teams in regard to Mims, but the price was too low. JAX decided to get ''something'' versus just releasing him, or keeping him while paying him with no plans for him in the offense.

If that were true there would not have been several teams bidding, including us I believe the total was 5 teams. It was a numbers game -- JAX added Marvin Jones, paid Kirk, and also added Zay Jones, and are under a new GM and regime. 600+ yards as a rookie and sophomore in JAX with Minshew, and Trevor under Meyers is solid production. More than we got out of our 2nd round pick TMJ, who I am still high on, the OL + Darnold was just not an environment for an offense to be productive.