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Seems you found the "exception" to the OP. Eli wasn't actually drafted by the Giants. But that's the only team he ever played for since he refused to go to San Diego.

I honestly wouldn't draft a QB if my team earned the first pick, unless we're talking Luck, Cam or Stafford level talent available. Generational type guys that can lift a bad team. They are rare breeds though. Trade back for a king's ransom and come back when you've gotten your ish together - see Chicago bears. As far as yards and scores trending down, I think it has a lot to do with how teams are playing defense now. Most defenses are in some form of nickel/dime most of the game, with exotic blitz packages using DBs to pressure the QB. They're taking away the passing game, and teams built to pass without a complimentary run game to keep the defense honest will struggle. Maybe RBs will become top draft picks again.

A big time standup LB (QB of the defense), improve the pass rush, improve oline depth. Get lucky with injuries. They can win over 6.5 games. Fail in any one of those areas and the bottom falls out pretty quickly.

Teams drafting a QB in the top 5 are usually just really bad personnel wise and/or not smart in the front office. Establish a strong front office and coaching staff that drafts well for multiple seasons. Then and only then do you go in for a QB. A good team is not drafting in the top 5, even if you have mediocre QB play. A good QB on a bad team won't win Super Bowls. An average QB on a really talented roster and FO can pull it off.

A'Shawn Robinson is a prime candidate for cap cut. I think he's a good player but his production could be replaced early in the draft. I don't believe in Wharton and B. Brown is a NT.

OL, DL, pass rush or off-ball linebacker. No 1st round offensive weapons in this draft. I'm a BPA guy, but that dog won't hunt when the oline or dline is getting manhandled after one injury. So, everything EXCEPT the #1 target from this list.

Yeah but the whole point of a LT is to protect your QB's blindside (right handed). Opening holes for RBs is not why they are far and away the highest paid linemen. The only linemen that are paid as much or more are the guys that can beat them to get to the QB. A LT that's a run specialist is like a WR that only runs screens and jet sweeps. Many here think the team can easily replace BY. I think the same can be said for Ickey. Heck Yosh may not be that much of a drop off - if any.

Honestly thought Ickey was fairlt average. That's just based on the eye test. I haven't seen any grades or anything to base that on. Usually when the QB was pressured, it seemed like it was coming from the LT or RG.

Yeah. He going to jail.

WR is absolutely a priority. Don't need a high draft pick WR, but a speedy, quick twitch WR is needed here. That guy can be picked in the 4th round and later. Most teams have a couple on their practice squad. So might make more sense to pick up a vet (2 or 3 years) that's buried on someone else's depth chart. Smaller, quicker version of Brycen Tremayne. Maybe Jimmy Horn steps into that spot next season. Remember he's a 6th rounder. Really wanted Tez there, but...

It appears that he sees things differently than the QB and OC, so Cam's advice is spot on. It isn't about number of targets, it's about quality of targets. Trust and being on the same page. BY doesn't know how to anticipate what XL is doing. And XL doesn't like where BY is placing passes. One on one film study would go a long way. More for BY than XL though. He has to adjust to XL. I really don't think XL can adjust on the fly.

If the team shows improvement, then he shouldn't be in danger of losing his job - even if the record doesn't reflect. This was a very young team (with a lot of new vet starters) that overperformed last season. Somebody's doing something right. Consistency is key with so much youth. And we're potentially looking at new starters at ILB and FS. Those are positions that take time to fully understand the defense. ILB calls the front 7. Safety calls the back 4. Injuries at WR and IOL killed the offense last season. Depth needs to be upgraded. Same with Edge. I think they would have won more games if Pat Jones doesn't go down early. Be smart with the roster and draft. Trade players for assets when it's time to pay them more than they're worth - yes, that includes BY if he doesn't make a pretty big jump. That's one of the many reasons Tillis is as important as anyone to the future of this team.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying. But I'd think they'd be trying to get on another team's payroll instead of Carolina's. If this is a new stat, then I could agree. If this is an existing calculation that hasn't changed its variables, then my point still stands. And they likely wouldn't rate him so low on other calculations.

So FORMER employees influence your current analysis? Honestly sounds a little conspiracy theory like to me. But it's possible I guess.

This is what I mean. I am not some huge BY fan. I honestly don't look at QBs the way a lot of you guys do. Right or wrong, I've always looked at them as just another cog in the machine. Didn't want BY or even a trade up for a QB in 2023. We saw in the Super Bowl how important the rest of the team is on any given Sunday. Now... so PFF, who has no reason to prop up BY, says he's first in 2 stat lines and Panthers "fans" are arguing why it's either wrong or a made up stat just to make BY look good. Even though they have multiple stat lines where he's literally last in. Like 32nd in the NFL. Some he's even lower than 32. Take a step back. Try to objectively self analyze. This is just not sensible. Same thing I see with other teams' fans and their QBs though. We analyze every single throw on every single play. For every other QB, most here are only using highlights to judge. Makes a difference. We saw Stafford miss throws when they played Carolina - both games. We saw Love throw crap up when they played Carolina. We saw Dak miss throws when they played Carolina - and Pickens was putting on a SHOW. We saw Josh Allen win a game with 163 yards passing against Carolina, but if BY does it he's crap and can't pass for 200 yards. Gents... come on.

Please explain. Not understanding Thielen as a training wheel.

I don't know. The NFL makes up their own rules, particularly under the personal conduct policy. I wouldn't expect him to play much next season, even if he hasn't had his day in court.

I haven't seen anyone say it'll be easy next season. Personally think major improvements with regards to pass rush and offensive playmakers are needed to take the next step. Won 8 games after playing 7 playoff teams and both superbowl teams in 2025. And that's with Hunt, Chuba and Coker injured most of the season. A rookie and XL were your top 2 WRs. Rozeboom was your green dot LB. Have to think there will be improvements in WR and pass rush, just because the top guys aren't rookies anymore. Long shot for 9-10 wins, but it's possible.

That's not good enough for an extension.

What if Bryce hits 4000 yards and 30 TDs? Would that be sufficient? Should that be the goal this season? I don't know if the team will be good enough to win 9+ games this season.

Yeah I 100% agree that fullbacks and special teams players don't count. But would you rather have XL, Bryce or Ickey over Kuechley, CMC or a Kyle Hamilton? Marginal players at "high value" positions don't move the needle like exceptional players at "lower value" positions. Plays are needed at every level on offense and defense. Particularly in the NFL, where the margin of error is so small. Winning or losing usually comes down to a few plays. You need guys that'll make them. Not a bunch of guys that are just keeping their heads above water.

Either way, if Bryce doesn't play well then you DO NOT extend him. Just bring in a bridge vet until you're ready to go in on your rookie QB. If he's not willing to play on the 5th year option in that case, then trade/release. Still too many questions to go all in with a major payday.

I generally disagree with the concept of picking a position because of value early in the draft. For instance, if there's a really good safety, RB or ILB at pick 10, I'm choosing him over a project WR or DE. Better players make the team better. A bunch of ok players will give you an ok team. The number 1 goal of the draft should be to improve the overall talent on the team. Not to fill positions of need. Deciding beforehand that you're picking a LT in the first or second round because Ickey went down is not the way to improve the team. Now if Dan has similar grades on 2 or 3 players and one happens to be a LT, then yeah go for it. But don't pass on your guy at ILB because you have a gap at LT or need to improve the pass rush with a DE. When those guys don't pan out then you haven't improved your team. But that LB could have been a franchise cornerstone for years to come. See Luke Kuechly and Christian McCaffrey.

If he can make the switch, I always thought that was more of a prototypical RT than LT. Could be an OG too. Honestly, they can't keep paying offensive linemen like they have and probably should be drafting replacements for everyone this year and next. If they were an overpowering group, then maybe. But too much capital for just slightly above average group - some times.

That's usually the narrative when there aren't highly touted QBs or DEs. Off ball LB is the position this year. And there are some really good prospects. WRs are deep too. No generational level guys but very deep with solid options. I would target CJ Allen in the 1st. I want a real ILB. Not a pass rusher that can move back. Not a safety that can move up. He's smart, tough, instinctive and durable. Dude had surgery on his meniscus and missed one game. One game. And... he's only played LB. Watching him control guards with his hands andsift through the garbage to get to the ball is refreshing. That's my guy in the 1st.