Khyber53

Look at the guys actually doing something out there. With the exception of Reddick, Luvu, Gonzalez and Gilmore, every player that is performing at grade level and above was a Hurney draft, and many were coached by Rivera. Jaycee Horn gets an Incomplete grade because of injury (he looked good here before the injury, but they all did at that time). Whew. Hurney/Rivera era players are what are holding this team together right now. That's how bad things are and that's no praise for Hurney or Rivera, just pointing out that those guys got fired for their performance here.

Christensen, who we were assured had been graded very highly, played a couple of snaps on special teams yesterday. That's how bad we apparently are at assessing offensive line talent. From the coach's room to the front office to the scouting department, Tepper has managed to put together one of the worst organizations in the NFL. We would be the Detroit Lions or the NY Jets if we didn't have some talent left over from the Rivera/Hurney drafts. I remember people laughing and pooing when I said if we didn't break five games this year that Rhule would be gone, contract or not. It not only doesn't sound unreasonable at this point, it sounds like a fuging good idea.

Dude came from the Seahawks, an organization that hit magic a while back and has been falling apart ever since. He was big in their scouting program and they can't scout. Apparently, for all of Tepper's success in the world, he's still a sucker who'll buy anything if the pitch is good (or he convinces himself he wants something).

Exactly. Well said and so very true.

There's enough suck to go around to both Darnold and the line.

Will be? Will be? Is.

I'm with you. I thought it was a reasonable gamble when it was made. I got a little uneasy when they took his fifth year. I felt like it was a good move for the first, second and third game. Then reality hit the ground around here like a 100 lb anvil dropped from a blimp. Bad o-line, bad play calling and Sam's history all collided. And it has been a train wreck ever since. At this point you just grab the two QBs we have on the practice squad and throw them out there. They'll probably get killed, but who knows. I do know that Darnold isn't savable, but he'll be able to go out with millions of dollars earned and owed to him. PJ Walker got his shot and shat the bed. Those two couldn't get a jersey on another team without buying it from the NFL.com store.

Amazing how folks are coming out and defending Brady and Fitterer. I guess there were people working to defend the command crew of the Titanic after the fact, too. The boat still sank, the tragedy still happened. It's a Confederacy of Dunces up there.

Just because you somehow made a billion dollars doesn't mean you can't create a total clusterfeck. Tepper has proven it. Thank God he wasn't one of those billionaires with space programs. Debris would be raining down over the entire Carolinas day in and day out.

Brady will probably be made to fall on his sword, perhaps the o-line coach Pat Meyer. It could be Rhule as well with Snow stepping in as head coach. But if this is the end, they need to show Fitt the door, too. If he evaluates coaches as well as he evaluates deals and players, we're doomed long term.

If we win more than five games this season, it will be a frikkin' miracle. I'd say we'd have a shot at the Dolphins, but I'd have thought we had a shot at the Giants, the Vikings, etc... too. Rhule and Co. as coaches are pretty much dead men walking. This isn't a "we're rebuilding" thing as much as it is a "that team is completely unprepared" when it comes to offense and special teams. And personnel decisions have been a lot more misses than hits, from free agents to draftees to contract extensions. Snow has created a defense that's tough, but beyond that this team is as embarrassing as any Panthers team that didn't rely on Chris Weinke as its main weapon. This guy isn't coaching up to even the George Seifert level. Let that sink in.

Yeah, Darnold is done. Maybe a really good coach could have rehabilitated him after the Jets. We'll never know because he came here and reverted back to his old ways after three games. That being said, he isn't THE problem, he's just one of the on field parts of it. Joe Brady is not an NFL-level coaching guy. Our QBs coach is not an NFL quality guy. Our Receivers Coach isn't an NFL quality guy. Nor our TE coach. Our offensive line coach isn't capable of coaching in high school. Our strength and conditioning team needs to be shown the door. If Rhule wants to save his job, he needs to shitcan that whole lot and replace them as fast as possible. Honestly, though, Rhule probably needs to go as well. There's too much talent on this team to perform this badly, this consistently. If I were Tepper, I'd bring the entire coaching staff and the GM in and treat them to a resume writing seminar and a presentation by the local Two Men and a Truck moving company sales reps.

Chili dogs and tater tots.

Happy birthday!!!

Couple of stories going on here. 1) Who will be our QB? 2)Will CMC be able to play? 3)Can Rhule and Co. outdo Belichick? 4) Can our O-line stand up to the Patriots front seven? On the first, Darnold gives us a shot (not a great one), PJ gives us probably something embarrassing. On the second, this is probably our biggest factor in having a shot at being competitive. Thirdly, if they can't does the slide continue from here? And lastly, that O-line issue has been the killer for us this season. Watch for the Patriot with the red sleeves, Matt Judon. If we can't slow him down, the day is done, whether it is pass heavy or run heavy for us. All these questions are unanswered for us right now, but none of them look good. I hate to predict it, but I'm thinking it will be: Patriots: 21 Carolina: 10 I hope I am so very wrong here.

You know, you're right. We've got some serious talent back there and it just slipped my mind that all of our homegrown ones are pretty much still on rookie deals and the others came here on the cheap. My mistake, sorry.

That makes two teams where OBJ stayed for as long as they could stand him. Broken teams and broken locker rooms behind him. He can make some spectacular plays and put himself on all sorts of posters. That's what he's about. It's not for the team, the fans, history or anything else; he just wants to bask in his own light. And when that dims, it's always everyone else's fault. Which team is desperate enough to knowingly take on a cancer?

For all the DBs we have, the good, the greats, the big names we've traded for, Shaq has the most interceptions so far and he was out three games. And he's a linebacker. There's some high dollar guys back there that need to start getting some more INTs. Rookie QB this weekend, should be prime picking season.

I still remember him sitting on the bench beside Jake on the guy's worst day ever in football (on his birthday to boot) and just trash talking him like a borrowed mule. I'm sure he was "just joshing" and "just busting his chops" but it was still one of the most asshole things I've seen someone do in life. And if you don't have Delhomme, then nobody was going to believe in a short, junkyard dog of a wide receiver enough to just feed him until he became an all star. Smitty will always be a dog that will bite the hand that feeds him.

I love Smitty, but he never saw a back that didn't deserve a dagger in it.

Good point. Shhh/ got it.

If we win this one, Rhule's going to get me back into the believers camp. I hope he can get it done.

Geez, man, who can afford meat anymore????? Looks great!

I railed for us to take Jones before the draft. Everyone laughed, said he was the worst of the first round options out there. We should have done that, then taken an OT in the second round (one of the good ones not Brady "Benchbait" Christensen), and then doubled down to take a guard in the third who wasn't toying with a heat induced heart attack all summer. But heck, who listens to me?

Al Davis used to say, "Just win, baby!" Do that and the critics quieten down quite a bit and casual fans cheer instead of boo.