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I'm not saying he's perfect, but everybody here wants a young coach who worked under other proven, current era coaches. Brown is that. He's working with shitty talent and most likely being micromanaged by Reich and Tepper. I'll take a shitty call or two in exchange for a real offense. Better than shitty calls in an offense that was effective 30 years ago.

I don't think this is the best version of Bryce we've seen. It's arguably the worst. However, yes, it's good that he has been willing to actually throw real routes and not just lean on the short game. More encouraging is the fact that we're not calling levels every other pass play. But this is where Bryce should've been day one. Which begs the question... didn't he staff know Bryce struggled deep so they avoided it for his confidence or was the offense called short because our OL is bad. Because Bryce has had some time today, likely thanks to the run game. Based on his accuracy on literally every vertical throw, I think we know which it likely is. Bryce has to fix this or he will absolutely get replaced.

Either Brown is trying some actual offense out or this is just game planning for the Saints and Bryce and the receivers have failed to execute. This is more the offense I think we all expected for 11 weeks. At least some of the time. Bryce letting it rip IS encouraging...but then you're discouraged because he absolutely cannot hit on vertical shots. No touch, no ability to drop it in a bucket in stride. Mingo splitting coverage deep for a walk-in TD is going to be the glaring miss from the day. That's a QBs dream, just hit it deep down the middle with no fear of anybody over the top because your receiver already beat everybody. Bryce has to find his touch deep, but if the offense is called this way moving forward, I have hope that we don't have total incompetence on our offensive staff. Which is promising, because I love Brown and want to see him stick as our OC, but he's gotta prove he can call an offense. This is the right direction to proving that.

What? He has. He has been open multiple times and Bryce simply overthrows it. He's ran good routes and got open over the middle and down the sideline.

Bryce can be benched now. Nobody needs to see more Bryce. Give us Dalton, give us somebody who can give Mingo meaningful reps so we can evaluate him for next year.

Mingo looks good. Keeps getting separation deep, Bryce just can't hit the deep ball. Chark can go literally anywhere else.

Must keep: Bryce, Mingo, Luvu. Keep if reasonable: Thielen, Woods Everybody else is expendable.

Only if the return is damn good. Necas is arguably a top 6 player on his worst day. So if we're not getting back quality right now in return, no deal

I think that's a result of our system and the uptick in mistakes/inconsistency. We absolutely run a high risk/reward forecheck. Transition chances and getting off schedule with changes leads to us giving up good looks. There needs to be a message sent. Start pulling up some guys. Guys getting scratched for a few games could be the shot in the arm they need.

Here's the good thing. We are deep as far as talent. Teams would murder to have the problem we have. We can package a couple of big pieces for a starting goalie...if we are wise. We can replace the goal scoring, but we absolutely cannot survive giving up bad early goals and blowing leads instantly after we get them. We're putting amazing d in front of our net. Third fewest shots against in the league currently, worst save % in the league by our goalies collectively.

Philosophy of the HC doesn't mean you'll have a specific type of offense. We can have a defensive HC who really wants to run the ball well...who has an OC in mind that will keep balance and make us a threat throwing the ball with some variety. People get too hung up on HC philosophy. Gimme Rivera with an OC that isn't a fossil of a bygone era and I'm good

Too much consistency has created this imo. Too consistent a playoff team means guys have more minutes on their legs and more heartbreak of being close but not good enough to win it. Too many of these guys have been here playing together for a while, which has created some complacency imo. Bad team, bad time.

Just a reminder, as somebody who has lost faith in Young, he HAS played better than Trevor Lawrence did in his first 10 games. He COULD turn it around next season. But he has about 10 games next year before I'm calling for his head.

You value OL and WRs and rank them. Whoever is there and highest on your board, take. You do this for every pick after as well. We can improve the D just by getting healthy, maybe adding somebody in FA or via trade. We draft OL and WR and hop to God our next staff can develop talent from the draft

Look at Sam Howell. And most lean towards Maye being a better version of Howell.

Relax, Nicole. It's ok.

There have been a couple. One was a scramble where he got positive yards where it looked to be a sure sack. The other was early in the season where he used his shoulders to draw down a corner so he could hit the flag route. But that's about it. The rest have been "nice for a rookie" plays that yes, Gardner Minshew could physically make. I tried for 8 weeks to be very gracious to Bryce but I just can't. He doesn't look prepared. Could he improve? Certainly. But this isn't #1 overall worthy play. I knew Lawrence would figure things out. I knew Burrow would figure things out. Josh Allen. Manning. These were all guys we knew would develop into good starting QBs. Bryce ain't them.

If Bryce had one game to give us pause, I'd slow my roll. All the QBs that had rough first years had at least one game that they looked truly impressive in. Bryce has had a handful of plays across the entire season that were impressive. His average is probably something like 1-2 plays per game. Bryce has not looked good. He has not showed promise. He has shown life.signs. that's about it.

NC State has defeated a number of good NFL QBs. They're never good enough to compete nationally or even for the acc title, but they are good enough to absolutely surprise a team or two almost every year. Maye is 6'4" with a cannon. He's gonna be good on Sundays.

Or package Burns+ Bryce+ this year's 3rd for top 2 pick. If you get a bite. Gimme Maye all day. Bears will take Williams. Pats could bite. Hard reset with a prototype rookie QB.

None to go after. Best you're gonna do is kick the tires on a retread or gamble on somebody else's unproven kid that you believe in, which means we're giving up something considerable if we're serious. Unwise.

FTFY

I don't doubt he wants to win. I don't doubt that he's committed to making the Carolina Panthers a successful team and organization. I doubt he has the ability to shrug his ego off and actually achieve it. The necessary steps for him are something he currently doesn't want to do. He wants it his way. Sometimes sheer tyranny of will can get you there, but often not.

We need Bill or O'Brien specifically so Tepper learns his lesson on getting overly involved. Because those two would have us competing and wouldn't tolerate meddling ownership. Tepper needs a successful coach who can generate success for Tepper's team who will also tell him to shut the fug up. The only way to humble him, if you're able to at all. That sets us up for the future if it works because future hirings, Tepper knows when he got involved, we sucked for 7 coach changes and when he wasn't involved, we won.

It's not that points don't mean anything. But looking at that number and going "awful defense" isn't necessarily true. If a team has a good offense and gives up 26 points per game defensively, that is far worse than a team that has an offense that scores I TD per game but gives up (on average) 26 points per game. In this scenario, the bad offense team has a measurably better defense than the good offense team. Does this make sense for you?