kungfoodude

Sanders has been a massive disappointment but he is also a 4th rounder. Probably should be a special teams guy for a while until he develops. We just don't have the ability to do so.

Except that one player looks like he might be a 10+ year starting/possibly Pro Bowl player and the other is the guy we drafted.

This game should actually be a blowout if KC wasn't choking harder in the redzone than the NFL on Taylor Swift's cock.

I have yet to see any starting caliber players from this draft yet but hopefully they will emerge eventually.

At least 3 seasons. I am amazed some people don't see the massive talent abyss we have to extract ourselves from. That's why we made all those cuts, to attempt to upgrade our non-NFL players to hopefully get 1 to 2 JAGs.

Yeah, I have no idea what you saw but it's definitely not what I saw. There is very, very little logic or reason to the players we picked in that draft nor the position we took quite a few of them. If anything, it telegraphed that they don't have any intention of getting better through the draft for at least a couple of seasons. The free agency moves seem to be above Panthers average in some regards. OG overhaul was a big success, DB signings seem very sound, addition of Diontae was excellent. The rest of the signings are a mixed bag. I would say the disparity between the pro personnel decisions and draft decisions are massive. We will see how it turns out.

Yeah, that sums up my thoughts and, as always, thanks for your insight. I know you follow this stuff very closely. The 2024 draft felt like another complete mess with very little rhyme or reason to the decisions.

Time will tell but most likely it will be another scenario where once again Panthers fans are disappointed. Which, it won't even be that way anymore. It's an expectation.

What is the injury?

Our Time To Throw has to be near last in the NFL. That doesn't help.

Oof. Yeah, I heard that thing is gonna hit Tampa/St. Pete. Safe travels.

Do we have any news on Moton yet?

TBH, this could be a year of very stiff competition for that #1 spot overall. There are a lot of oddball dumpster fire teams. Giants are awful, Pats are awful, Dolphins could be terrible depending on Tua, Raiders look very bad and possibly getting worse, Browns look like a dumpster fire, Titans and Jags are in tailspins. It's a wild early first thirdish of a season.

Holy poo. I am actually disappointed at the caliber of this thread knowing that.

The advanced stats confirm this is the worst year of his career. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HornJa00.htm

We only have two capable guys of both getting open and catching the ball regularly, that's Johnson and AT. Hopefully Coker can become a third.

I will take a look at 2003 to 2023 and see the probability of having a winning record in the next two seasons after finishing .300 or less. Probably will take a little while to compile.

It's a 2 year fix if you have an average NFL roster. It's not a 2 year fix if you have a bottom 5 NFL roster. As I said, those type of turnarounds are not at all common.

Well he almost immediately allowed a sack, so I don't think your interest is going to be very high for very long.

You don't draft developmental guys in the first or second round unless you are a bad franchise. We consistently do this. Shocker of all shockers, it almost never works out. This is what happened to Mingo and is likely to happen to XL. Ever wonder why we can't develop these guys? Probably because we have the same level of terrible decision making as overdrafting guys like those in the first place that hiring coaches. Also, name some guys in the last decade that didn't develop here and then went elsewhere to develop? It isn't just us that can't do it. We choose the wrong prospects many more times than we don't.

Yes, the NFL is built for parity. No doubt about it. So how do teams end up being terrible for years? By doing what we have from 2018 onward. It is exceedingly rare what we did, which was take a roster from 2017 and basically completely dismantled it in a couple of years. Then further continued to make it progressively worse and stripped of talent as the years went by. This isn't a common occurrence. We are embarking on a road not often traveled because typically to start it as a FO or coach is basically guaranteed to be gone whenever it completes. That's literally what happened here. Rhule and then Fitterer tried to desconstruct this roster further and further and succeeded masterfully. But neither had the vision to construct a new one, nor the intelligence to do so. So now we just sit with a roster of jouneymen, busts and borderline NFL players. What do you propose? Cut them all and sign/draft 20 in 2025 and another 20 in 2026? Good luck winning with that. This is why I am saying and have been saying this. There is no quick fix. It takes years of patience and competence to fix. Neither of those are in our organization.

Jones would need to be on a Baker/Darnold size "reclamation" price. Something in the $5-7 mil range at most.

Gotta be a @CamWhoaaaCam sock account.