kungfoodude

Oh poo.....you think we would really be trading for Jamarcus Russell????

It sucks to lose an old Panther like Carrier. But if it is for the best of the organization, so be it.

Yeah, I think we should wait before we completely write the last chapter of that story. It may end up like the Kobe/Shaq episode. Success for both parties but just not nearly the level of success they had together.

It was going to be an interesting offseason anyway with the salary cap retracting and some teams being in dire straits now you add this Watson saga and it's going to be a page turner. I don't think any of us knows how this is going to end up, so it's pretty fun to wildly speculate right now. I do think the price will not be as steep as the Texans want it to be. I think they will inevitably have to come down off their rumored cost. IMO, not many NFL teams or NFL GM's are going to be willing(or some even able) to give up that kind of haul, even for a guy like Watson. We'll see though.

Nah. I cut and run pretty quickly. Zero commitment for me. Just the way I have always been geared.

There is a reason the "Patriot Way" works....Bill Belichick. And he also needed the greatest QB of all time.

I read this post and understand why you cannot follow along.

I really don't have an answer for you simply not understanding what I am writing. Most here seem to be able to understand it.

Yeah but you are just speculating. Unless that is a buddy or yours or something

And get fuging SKEWERED in the media, as well.

Yeah, guys like Brady and Big Ben could retire at any time. I think Rodgers and Ryan will stick around a few more seasons. Overall the league is getting a lot younger at QB. This is the most QB needy teams I have seen in a long time. It would be pretty foolish to waste that market for ego reasons.

Hindsight is 20/20.

We will see if that happens or not. Again, we aren't talking about a smart franchise.

I don't think he would do that. If you do that you lose the respect of your teammates and you also chase off franchises that would trade for you.

When he is watching his franchise suffer through empty stands and players jumping ship in droves, his ego might start to get overruled by his brain.

Oh I am not forgetting about ego. Hence the reason why I talk about the standoff lasting past this offseason. I do think his value could drop if the young drop of QB's step up and become NFL starters. Let's say that we get 3-5 potential starters from this draft. That's 3-5 potential suitors off the market. Let's say the Lions trade or cut Stafford and he ends up on a team that was considering trading for Watson. Or let's say Sam Darnold is suddenly a star without Gase. Those are all factors that make market demand drop. Less demand.....likely a lower price. It's not to say all of that will happen or that a team or teams may not get very desperate and be willing to give up anything but any of those things happening does hurt the overall market for him. And let's not forget that there may be a big gulf between what the media speculates of his potential price and what an actual NFL team is willing to give up.

The question is, do they know it? It would be interesting to hear the conversations inside the organization these days.

That haul amount will drop the longer they hold out. It will get less after free agency and the draft, because potential suitors will be off the board. Especially if teams he is willing get traded to move forward with their plans. Make no mistake, the league isn't going to grind to a standstill to wait on the resolution of this stand off. And the fact that his value is so high is that the need for QB's is extremely high at the moment. That changes when QB's get drafted or QB needy teams decide to sign free agents instead of wait.

If we made picks to attempt to get Watson in a trade, instead of just building for the future once Houston goes into dumb mode......we will be a dumpster fire in no time. I'd love to have Watson but I wouldn't shy away from taking a QB at #8(if available) if Houston decides 2021 is going to be hardball time.

Doubt what?

It's kind of like watching a relationship with one of your buddies and telling him to rid of his GF/spouse because it is plainly obvious where it is all heading. But they double down to try and salvage it, only for more time to pass before the inevitable happens and they split up. That's Houston and Watson right now.

Yep. And I believe you will see an exodus of talent from the franchise the more contentious this gets with Watson. By all accounts, he is well liked there and teammates had suggested he get out. I suspect they will all be jumping ship in short order, as well.

I suspect they will also go after Watson's signing bonus too. Once that happens, their place at the bottom of the NFL will be forever completed. Players will not want to play there and they will struggle to ever resign any homegrown talent. This is going to be fantastic to watch them crumble.

Oh the longer this drags on, the lower the price will get. Largely because teams will take QB positions and then be out of the market. If Houston was smart, they'd be blowing up the phone of every QB needy team in the NFL.

That last year of a bonus(the bonus has already been paid in full at signing) is an extra year added for accounting purposes. New Orleans has been doing that with Drew Brees contract forever. It's a way of lessening the impact of the prorated bonus cap hit every year. The downside is that it carries dead money into a time period where the player is no longer on the team. You have to keep in mind that those prorated bonuses get paid out upon signing of the contract. That is all "book money" and not actual money being spent(because it has already BEEN spent).