kungfoodude

Rather the reverse. I couldn't understand how taking 11 low end picks made any sense.

Yeah I was a heavy skeptic of that draft.

Oh I know. The quality over quantity argument missed me entirely.

Scott Fitterer is setting a special place in Panthers history with how low he is setting the bar. I am not sure how it would be possible to be worse at drafting than him.

This goes back to the "Was Jeff Otah a bust" argument. The reality is he was a bust but it was due to injuries. Horn is a bust so far. There isn't any question at all about that. We just have to hope that turns around. If not, that draft will look REALLY bad in hindsight.

You think this is bad now? Wait until you do this review at the end of all their rookie deals. The way it is going, we may only have 1-4 of these players still on the roster.

The draft position outside the first has pretty minimal value. Any draft position with Scott Fitterer at the helm as absolutely no value.

Any draft buzz about positioning this far out is complete and utter BS.

How about we get a competent GM before we worry about free agency? Maybe a competent HC too. Seems like a better start that failing around in free agency yet again.

Yeah there isn't a single team in the NFL that was touching that deal. Now some Huddlers would but that's not too surprising.

I don't even know that we have to blow up the OL. We just need to figure out if these are the coaches and this is the scheme. If so, blow it up. If not, get coaches who can use these guys effectively. Start running people the fug over like we under Wilks.

And we even screwed up the Peppers situation by NOT trading him when he told us he wanted to leave.

He has only broken 100 yards twice this season. He is starting to look like his best days are behind him. Not really sure I am that worried about him.

If we had just kept Ron and Marty we'd be significantly better off than we are now. Let that sink in. That's how poorly Tepper's leadership has been

The NFL wants to collect as many of the wealthiest people on the planet as owners as they can get their hands on. It makes the product/team value more stable.

My guess is the OL would have still struggled even with BC. This scheme just isn't suited to most of these guys.

I mean in theory but not when the two guys next to you are also getting dog walked.

But what is the difference between pass protecting 40+ times a game at guard versus LT? Without scheme change, it just is what it is

Yeah, that's what I mean. If we just get worse at LT, what does it matter about maybe getting marginally better at LG? It isn't gonna make Bozeman better either. They aren't gonna be playing downhill much. That's a decision for a different staff, IMO. There is no sense in shuffling the OL at this point unless we change our offense.

I mean plenty of us said this at the time. I think the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in is who exactly takes over at LT? Are they gonna be better? If nothing else, that was the biggest thing that killed us when BC went down. He was basically our only viable other option at OT.

Well supposedly he fits the mold of almost everyone on our OL minus maybe Moton and Corbett. Better suited to more aggressive running based attack that keeps them out of shotgun pass sets 80% of the game. If we had that plan, I have no idea why Bozeman, Ikey, Zavala, Mays or most the the rest of these guys are here. They literally do not fit that plan. You know I trashed Ben McAdoo before last season and during most of it. He is leaps and bounds a better OC than what we have now.

No player on this offense has made themselves look as bad as this offensive staff has made themselves look. I am not on team "Fire the coach every year" but I just don't see how you bring this staff and HC back. They aren't compatible with the team we have. So do you completely replace the team over the next few years to hope they are the coaching staff we need? Or maybe do you go and find a coaching staff that is willing and able to do what it takes with the pieces we have and make them successful. This wasn't a chicken salad sandwiches out of chicken salad project. It was making chicken salad out of chicken poo.

I doubt that is the issue. I rather doubt it because it isn't like we are running a scheme that is taking advantage of his abilities. It appears more that our coaching staff on the offensive side just has no idea how to do anything other than what they are doing. Or is unwilling. Same difference.

It isn't rare that coaches cannot get past their own ideas/vision for their teams. I have seen HOF coaches do it, mediocre coaches do it and it's a hallmark of bad coaches. This is just another example. Strangely enough, you could at least see in Rhule's schizophrenic reign that they were frantically trying to do something, ANYTHING(to a fault). But this....this is just old school being stubborn.. IMO, we should be switching to a much more simple power rushing/play action attack just like we did last year. Literally what do we have to lose? But we won't. Just trust these guys, once we get a big enough mallet, these square pegs will fit.

Sure. We could do plenty of things to make this situation better, Steve Wilks and Ben McAdoo did. Or we could just keep doing the same fuging thing every Sunday. What do you imagine we will do?