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Think he is saying when they initially traded up the 49ers initially intended to get Mac Jones (which was the rumor)…..and over time ended up liking Lance more and changed their minds to him.

I mean, the coaching staff is like going McDonalds to Ruth’s Chris. There is no denying that. But we don’t know what Tepper really is. Bad owners are bad owners. Add talent or coaches…..they generally show themselves regardless. NFL is generally pretty clear. Based on track record, if you had to slant Tepper as good or bad he does look like he might be a bad one to date. But it’s too early to know

You could want to do something….and it end up not making good sense. Maybe they wanted to go get Hebert and evaluated the cost at the time. And that was that. You don’t have to talk someone out of something if they decide the cost is too much for them. So it doesn’t have to be someone in house convincing them not to. lot of teams probably wanted to move up to the #1 overall this year. The cost when inquiring can do the convincing to talk someone out vs differing minds in house. I think Tepper green lights all the big face moves and cost moves. Think he has spoken on that clearly. He is going to be part of that process. Back up RB? Not a Tepper brainstorm. #1 overall? Tepper is in it with a real say. Which, I think would be normal. I would think our next draft pick will be the one Tepper has been the most in the mix of to date. Outside of us trying to get in on Watson. Tepper was most likely a big player in that. Those types are scream ownership. He isn’t hands off there IMO

I mean, they haven’t been smart. Tepper has been the owner for more than a half decade. You can’t cherry pick it down to the last 3 months and overly weight it. and despite the hires of recent months we are also going heavy risk with our resources. A steady trend that hasn’t been panning out. people way to eager to praise Tepper. I got no beef with complimenting the hires. But you can’t call us well run yet. Lot of poorly run teams have hired good coaches before.

No one really knows who much or little Tepper is or isn’t involved. He was hands on and now he is hands off? I still think Matt Rhule is luxury to put all the blame on. I think there was a lot more stupid going on than just him. Because the argument that Tepper put the entire franchise 100% in his hands and decisions is pretty far fetched Fitt still getting too big a pass IMO

I heard in high school Will Levis was a short order cook one summer

You rarely know the truth. Sometimes it leaks out and sometimes that takes years. Most owners I think are heavily involved in a #1 overall….especially one where you give up a ton for it. Which is rare. Owners are the constant. Which is why they rarely leave massive decisions completely to temp hires/new ones.

Aggressive wouldn’t be my #1 trait. That can easily lead to just lots of dumb things. Tepper couldn’t admit to the mistake after we became a laughing stock after 2022. He wasted an entire season in 2023 because he couldn’t admit the obvious.

Yeah, got to pump the breaks on us suddenly being well run. Tepper finally admitted to a mistake that there was no escaping from it being one. And he pointlessly wasted 2023 because he still couldn’t admit it. Water was clearly wet after 2022. It’s good he took a 180 approach on the new staff but Tepper is still Tepper. throwing cash at coaching names post Rhule doesn’t mean our front office suddenly becomes top end. As of right now, we traded away CMC, DJ Moore and gave up a bunch to pick a QB….despite living in the top 10 in the Tepper era. Nothing about Tepper says he is hands off or a sound leader of a NFL franchise yet. Maybe he will grow into one. That’s certainly the hope. Maybe he will just continue to appear to be the primary problem.

Lots of owners are hands on. I’d say the majority are going to be in the mix for a #1 overall pick, especially one where they have up a lot of capital to get it. I think he will have input and it will matter. Which makes sense.

You were the one that felt the need to protest that I called them the same tier QB. Who knows what you intended with your protest. League sees them as the same caliber QB at this point.

lol. Yes. PJ Walker and Sam Darnold are the same tier QB right now. and if you doubt that….go look at the deals both just signed. That’s the tier they are in. The market and the NFL sets the tier. Folks still hanging on to the status of how folks entered the league. Irrelevant at this point. Not long for the NFL? Yeah, again, same tier QB. Sam on his 3rd team. Was worse on his second than first team. Only can get a one year deal to be probably the 3rd string QB. same tier QB. Reality just backed that up. There is nothing that backs Sam being in a different tier. League just drove that fact home. Still on Sam’s junk lol. Come on dawg.

2 years, 5 million. 1 million dollar signing bonus. good for PJ. A Sam Darnold tier QB.

Yep. Obviously this FA pool isn’t ideal. But we got to address the fact our rookie QB needs some legit help. Shi and TMJ are very young and are still developing. Shenault more of a gadget and schemed up guy. That’s not really helping a young QB. I take the Jags are the perfect or similar sample. Yeah, they probably overpaid a less than ideal Kirk and brought in an experienced Marvin Jones Jr. But that was big for a young QB even though they didn’t knock your socks off. That made a huge difference for Trevor. Obviously, TE too.

Rather bring back Foreman. Cut Hubbard. Draft a fast 3rd down RB.

Or he simply is a dual purpose RB with a tight connect to Staley. Foreman and Hubbard are both largely one dimensional.

seems like we would be a fall back option for him. Money close, you got to think he would prefer to be a roleplayer on a championship caliber team than part of the growing pains of developing a rookie.

Wilks played safe boring football against weak teams. The competition we faced has a lot to do with why that was successful. And if we played a good run defense the game was essentially over before it started. NE has a long and established system and culture in New England. That's not Carolina in 2023. It's year one of installing a offense, identity and culture here. And again, we likely are starting a rookie QB at some point with a very pedestrian cast around him on O. In year 1 of a brand new scheme for all. I simply disagree with setting too high of expectations. You are just projecting the suffering part. That's not my claim. We could have a great year 1......and it won't and shouldn't be measured by wins and losses. We could have a great year one and only win 6 games. That could mean the QB looks like it was the right pick and shows some special glimpses. That the O scheme and management of things looks good and simply needs O talent added to aid the rookie as he continues development, etc.

yeah, we are on Panther message board. It is going to slant optimistic. and sometimes it will slant crazily optimistic. Like folks last offseason claiming Matt Rhule + Ben McAdoo was totally going to work out great! but yeah, I'm not the type fan that thinks Frank needs to compete for the playoffs year one. Frank has to build his offense up. That's my opinion. Which is just as good as any other. We could EASILY be breaking in a rookie QB with a weak WR1, weak WR2, okay RB and okay TE all in a brand new scheme. Putting the bar of playoffs on the rookie QB and the team as a whole again, seems silly to me.

Well, I'm just referring to what our SOS ended up being after the conclusion of the 2022 season. It was a weak schedule that we pulled those 7 win off on. Making excuses? Our offense is literally in blueprint stages. From new scheme all around to bodies. I'm not making excuses. I'm setting a realistic bar for what 2023 should be about. List our starting QB, RB, WR1 and WR2 right now and tell me anyone not a hardcore Panther fan would say we should be competing for a playoff spot this year. I guess we technically might be given our division could be horrific. But that would be byproduct of a bad division vs being a playoff caliber team vs the actual field. People setting a weird high bar for Frank on day 1 IMO. Given him time to put together an offense before claiming it is win now time.

better than Ian Thomas. Fine add pending the cost wasn't too high. But I'd like us to keep working at the TE spot.

We also had the 27th weakest schedule in 2022. That 2022 team wouldn't of won 7 with a hard schedule.

he shouldn't be expected to succeed in 2023. I mean look at our QB/RB/WR/TE talent going into 2023. It's an offensive league and we are on the literal ground floor of building an offense.

Fields was always complimentary of Dalton in that role. So that’s a bonus that Dalton can embrace the moment when it comes Dalton is also a former pro bowler and playoff guy. So he has kinda seen the highs and lows you want from a real vet mentor QB. I mean I don’t want to watch Dalton play a single game but he makes a lot of sense if you plan to draft a franchise QB in this draft like us….to have guide the kid into the league.

think Brock worked so well because he has it between the ears. Put a guy like that around crazy talent and good things just happen. He processes things quick and does the right thing. He reportedly had a crazy good cognitive test too coming in. It's not like he was molded into it. That makes him basically the anti-Darnold. That's what has always held Sam back. I think Sam Darnold's role is to be a good vet to come in and be a healthy arm/body to get ready for next season. That's it. That seems to jive w/ the contract. Taylor Heinicke out their fetching much better deals than Sam at this point.