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I think if you were a Pro Bowler while in Carolina....that probably means you don't qualify as a JAG

I remember that talk going on. I'm not sure the argument held up though. College did stuff different. They were getting their hands on great athletes at QB and using them. NFL didn't like seeing the different stuff at first. So they bashed it because they didn't run those concepts with Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, etc. I haven't looked at stats, and a lot of it is probably the rule changes and softer coverage....but WRs seem to have an easier time transitioning now.

and Kelly Bryant went 16-2 and had the job before Lawrence. He went to the college playoffs his first year as the starter and would have gone back the second year too. Clemson is a super friendly place to find success. But no one ever mentions any of that with Trevor. Eyeball test. Trevor was a different. I think Fields was similar in that respect...when you look at him vs others that played up there.

Clemson runs a QB friendly system too. Dabo is still a product of the Tommy Bowden tree. But I've never heard anyone talk about Charlie Whitehurst, Taj Boyd, etc when Trevor's name gets brought up.

Hoov is basically a Panther GOAT and legend so I think removes him from my definition of a JAG. Plus, I think there were stretches where he was the best lead blocker in the NFL. To me, you can't be a JAG and be the best at something. Even if it isn't sexy. Definition of JAG is pretty vague though. I'll go Kurt Coleman. He wasn't really good. He did some dumb stuff. But he brought some pop to the secondary.....and we rarely have seen that here.

No doubt. Cam IMO is the best short yardage weapon in NFL history. Bill isn't going to not use him.

Marty was good early. It all fell apart when the lockout talk hit. Contracts and it all fell about for him.

Yep, you get removed from different coaches and schemes….the fact played guys played at the same schools becomes pretty meaningless. Haskins has more connection to FLTebow than Fields for example

Gamecocks actually have put out some pretty decent high end corners into the NFL for whatever that is worth. Might be the spot they have done the best at in the NFL of late. Joseph and Gilmore and now Horn is better than a lot of of places. I think if you were going to talk about a Ohio St QB like Haskins….you have to go down to FL and trace the Urban QBs….and not stay at Ohio St. I think the FL QBs become more relevant to him than old Ohio St players.

Woody Dantzler and Clipboard Jesus are just as relevant to Trevor Lawerence as Cardell Jones is to Trevor Lawrence. The fact two also got tiger paw stickers doesn’t actually make them more relevant to Trevor in terms his NFL outlook.

I don’t think so. Some classes are hyped for being WR centric at the top or DE heavy or whatever. Prospects are just that. Prospects. But this was a good QB class in terms of QBs prospects. Having a Lawrence and a Fields in the same draft is kinda rare in itself. Then in add Wilson, Lance, Jones. 5 in the top half of the first? Teams have been starved at QB for a long time so I don’t think you can chalk it up to that. I just think this was a strong overall class with good diversity.

Taj Boyd. Clipboard Jesus! Woody Dantzler.

Always another draft….but this was a draft class loaded with QB prospects. If there was a year your team had head to the draft for QB talent….this one had abnormally good prospects IMO. They don’t all look like this.

OP must be telling us we need to draft a Michigan QB in the 6th round

Everything is a risk. I'd just argue they are different risks. Justin Fields doesn't have 3 years of disappointing play as NFL QB to his name though. So the risks feel different. Fields and Lawrence to date, IMO, have uniquely stood out given the expectations/pressure on their shoulders coming into college....and actually delivering as advertised with it.

Not as time went on. But early on.... and Hurney was praised early on. The 2003 Super Bowl team IMO was the best team we have put together and Hurney got the correct praise he deserved at the time. A perfect combo of adding the right draft picks and FAs.

Doesn't mean you know about building homes but it means your millions are at risk going forward....and you do seem like the type that would have some strong input in what would happen down the road with it.

Owners get involved because they own the teams. It's their billions invested. That's just how it works. and GMs and HCs and Owners......all make shitty decisions sometimes. So does Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Biden, Trump, me, you. That's a people thing. I don't expect Tepper to be Jerry Jones. But for you to dig your heels in on Tepper not being a standard NFL owner that is involved and will make some final decisions with his team going forward....just seems like a weird mountain to die on.

no, I'm just certain Tepper is a NFL owner and will act like a NFL owner going forward. Does Kraft get involved at times because he thinks Belichick is bad and incompetent? or does he get involved simply because it is his team and he occasionally sees the big picture different...and wins in those moments.

Well, it's generally the bad that draws attention. That's what I want to happen? No, I'm merely stating Tepper spent billions and billions on a team....and in the end will do what owners consistently do. Which isn't just let his staff do whatever they want down the road. Kraft is a bad owner? If he is a bad owner...who is a good owner?

He is simply an example of owners being owners. That’s the discussion, Take the most successful franchise like the Patriots? Kraft forced Bill to send Jimmy G packing. GM/Bill didn’t want to do that….but owners are going to be owners. That’s the point. Tepper will be one.

I referenced someone doing exactly what I said NFL owners do… The above is you trying to reframe Jerry Richardson being brought up. Discussing whose involvement and what was good or bad is a completely different topic. And Jerry’s contract meddling was some of his worst stuff. He had a lot more to say than the above. But NFL owners are going to have a lot to say about their billions they have invested.

I mean Jerry Jones and Dan Synder aren’t the only owners involved in the product that gets put on the field. They are just the poster children of doing it boldly and it going wrong. look no further than our own franchise. Jerry Richardson.

The conversation has nothing to do with me wanting Tepper to do X. That’s you projecting that. As noted previously, I’m glad Tepper didn’t make what I wanted to happen come true and overrule the new GM in this draft. He isn’t a college talent scout. NFL owners are rarely as hands off as you insist Tepper surely will be going forward. And that is based off a factual history of what owners consistently do. and a lot of decisions down the road don’t have anything to do with scouting college talent and I expect Tepper to be involved….especially once we know the strengths and weakness of this current bunch. Every GM we have had has displayed weakness. NFL teams largely operate as mom and pop businesses in reality.

Hurney and Nippleshorts were both praised as great at one time too though in Carolina….