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This is one of the reasons I like Fields so much. He saw more pressure than anyone and was the most accurate QB in this draft. He has the best ball placement.

I was willing to give up more than vast majority of the board was comfortable with for Watson. I’m not risk adverse. There are limits on what I would give up for a college QB though. How many of the top 2 QBs drafted the last 8 years would have been worth what we are speculating here.....2-3 of the 16? Just playing the odds I guess.

His habit of bailing out of clean pockets likely could have different consequences vs Clemson’s NFL DL talent and front vs folks he saw. Or last years’ Ohio St. Or Bama. that’s one do the things I don’t like about him. Those are play killers. And they aren’t as noticeable when the talent up front isn’t as good IMO. And this thread really boils down to two issues merging together. It isn’t that I think Wilson isn’t good. I’d be more than happy to land him at #8. Hardly a real knock. I don’t buy he looks better than Fields. And I wouldn’t want to give up what is needed to get to #2 for Fields (and he is my favorite).

from the start this always sounded like Instagram escorts were going to be at least part of the storyline.

bolded is 100% true. this situation has set off all sorts of red flags. No matter what hiring a bunch of random people off instagram and flying them out to see you(not to mention all this during a pandemic) is dumb. Ticking time bomb for a problem. Whether they be legit massage therapists or sex workers.

Big Ben went on to a long career and a Super Bowl the year he was suspended. but for the record I am anti-Big Ben. I was anti- Hardy. I could be anti- Watson. But I still think more info needs to come out. Just too many red flags all around. The whole Instagram centric massage therapist during a global pandemic thing all via this specific attorney in combination with Watson's stellar rep and behavior means we should wait on this to play out more.

I wanted to draft Cam at #1 and was one of the first lobbying for it. I think we should draft a QB at 8. One of the top 4 if there. I don’t love Lance there but I won’t cry over it. We aren’t talking that. They are all lotto picks. I’m not a fan of giving up a bunch of great picks for one. Bust rate is way too high.

everything is it's own thing. How many people have to accuse someone of something before they should just be deemed guilty.

Well, the question to me is....is Zach Wilson worth multiple first round picks plus several additional picks to acquire. That's the question IMO.

I'm not suggesting you base an assessment off of one game. But if we are giving up a ton of draft picks for a kid....I'd like a better resume than one great year vs meh competition. Just spending the #8 pick on any of these QB would be a big enough gamble in itself. I think Field's has the highest ceiling of all the QBs. Which includes my boy Trevor. But I don't want to trade away a ton of picks for him either.

you said that was his best game. I don't think it is a silly take to say give me a game where someone legitimately wowed...when we are talking about giving up an assortment of first round draft picks and what not for them.

But we aren't just talking about being top 10 worthy. We are talking about being worth multiple first round picks plus an assortment of picks from other rounds. I think if you are going to give away all that.....there should be at least one example where you go, see that game. That's why he is worth it.

I don't want to give up a fortune for someone whose signature game is against a 6 win Central Florida team. Draft him at 8 is a big enough gamble as is.

He literally just ran for public office last election cycle. He admitted to using created fake texts as the mayor of Houston was calling on him to be criminally prosecuted. I’ve continuously maintained either side could be telling the truth and people need to pump the breaks on judgement

Pretend he doesn't have injury concerns. If I told you to point to one game where he showed he was worth trading up to the #2 spot....what game would that be?

Difference is Watson was a proven elite talent in college and a proven elite talent in the NFL. Wilson is none of that. I don't see how people can be anti-Watson deal pre scandal and pro Wilson trade up.

overbidding for a proven NFL commodity is one thing....over bidding for a dude whose signature game was losing to Coastal Carolina doesn't do it for me.

it isn't my opinion that the attorney has political aspirations or that he has committed sketchy acts like creating fake text messages in an attempt to dupe people.

our 2022 1st round pick, 2023 1st round pick, 2023 3rd round pick plus something as that still doesn't meet the basic valuation point total. 10 points shy. Jets probably would be looking for overpayment as well rather than barebones. Cost is way too high for someone like Wilson. I'm just not a fan. Doesn't have the resume for such a price.

Well, I'd argue in 2015 he was the best player in the NFL. He won MVP. And his peers voted him as the #1 player. I mean if that isn't an argument for it.....what is? and I am not a fan of Lance. He is a very very poor man's version of Cam. And that doesn't work. Cam worked because he was the most dominant runner in NFL history at the position.

I don't buy that. He transcended into being the best player in football. And when he had a clean bill of health after he climbed that mountain.....he was great. He wasn't figured out. His body wasn't holding up. KB and Funchess are examples of building poorly around Cam. The notion Cam needed only big targets. We put 3 TEs on the field, none of who could actually separate. Go over the top. Made life easy on defenses. It is why when you got rid of KB. Funchess' role shrank....and you inserted Ginn, Philly, etc. he became MVP. Cam was a streaky player. That's what some players are. Some are gamblers. Some have to be robots and machines for success. I think there is too much fixation on we didn't fix his mechanics. To change him. You can't and shouldn't focus on fixing everyone's mechanics. Doesn't necessarily mean the outcome is better. You can just mess up something that worked. Cam wasn't the problem. Yet he all the attention was and remains almost exclusively focused on him. That if only we fixed this with Cam things would have been better. I disagreed then and now with that emphasis. We should of fixed what was around Cam. It was much worse than Cam getting lazy with his feet.

it isn’t underestimation. Just acknowledging what he is and has been of late. which is sketchy, attention seeking with political aspirations. And it is all running through him via quickly stacked allegations that all read nearly identical. and then you factor in Watson’s credibility and earned rep...which means you got to wait until the facts actually start coming into play before you convict him in the court of public opinion.

Main thing that has me pumping the breaks on judgement is that no matter the number the allegations remain largely all the same....and via the same attorney. clearly trade talk is paused. Not ready to convict Watson yet.

The burden isn’t on Watson to prove his innocence though. Short term he takes a hit but we know how that story goes in America. It moves on and forgets. and given who the attorney is (if all this is turns out to be allegations of he said she said)......all Watson’s team has to do is prove one is liar in the public square. which is problematic in the grand scheme of their really are victims though. And a reason why a shady lawyer can be a problem.

Well, my opinion, is Cam basically was that....we got the best of what he could be. He climbed the ladder to being the best player in the NFL. Cam wasn't the reason we didn't win more. The problem wasn't we didn't develop him correctly IMO. The problem was the other players around him and our inability to build well rounded teams. We wasted great years that we had with Cam. And if you "developed" Cam to be this more ideal QB IMO you risk ever having him be great. Cam is just too unique.