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Yes for sure. Wilsons one year wonder was a glimpse into potential because he was still pretty young... Pickett's feels like a college culmination... Which is much less enticing in a pro prospect to me imo. I don't hate Pickett but I'm just so much more interested in other prospects.

Lance was mentioned because of his crazy Year in 2019, but never before that. He was a complete 1 year wonder. So he was this big enigma the entire 2020 season as to where he'd go. Wilson actually was similar to Pickett. Not really much/any talk about him heading into 2020, then skyrocketed to #2 after the season... He really made a name for himself in 2020 after uninspiring years before that (2019 was 14 total TDs in 9 games). Another one year wonder, but with 3 years of starts... Fields was still widely considered ahead of him until the evaluation period after the season.

It's also important to note this is still early in the QB evaluation period. A lot can and will change... Lance and Wilson moved up a ton, Fields fell pretty far between now and draft day in 2021s draft... There's also a possibility covid 2020 seasons are going to make scouting QBs coming out this year much harder... Pickett isn't necessarily in that group since he has so many years of film.

Notice we don't see the Tre Boston paste anymore from him

You said we should be worried if he gets Teppers contact info. His recent behavior has me more worried for you. This post count tracking poo is weird.

Im expecting another 4 or 5 win season. The thing is, Rhule is a bad coach but we have enough talent on D to win a few games. Just enough to keep us out of the too spot of the draft imo.

Not a huge fan of Smith's typical delivery of opinion, but he's right, and I'm glad people closer to the organization are speaking up.

Its possible Nixon is demoted/returns to his old spot and we get a new OC. I could see that... It's a perfect opportunity for Rhule to show Tepper he's making changes without hurting his friends careers. Snow is not going anywhere... Just can't imagine it.

Except the early 1st is a perfect place to get an exceptional starter. Look at our 2nd and 3rd rnd draft history... Imo we need to stay near the top of the 1st, grab a solid addition to the OL, and go from there. I'd love to trade back a few spots but honestly I think we are better off filling a hole for sure than hoping day 2+ picks develop into the high level talent we want. We do have some good young pieces too we just need new cosches.

I don't think you can blame Tepper for Darnold himself; that was the genius of Rhule. Tepper saying you have to keep looking for a QB if you don't see that you have that franchise guy I think was more about drafting one since Teddy clearly wasn't it. Tepper wanted Fields but we all know how that turned out... Teddy also threw the coaches under the bus and I feel like once you knock the coaches like that, you're usually gone if you aren't a superstar.

He's not wrong, just need a new coaching staff.

This is what happens when you have college coaches. Versatility matters more there I think.

I just don't get it. We needed to see the rookies 5 games ago or so to evaluate them. Now our 2nd rnd selection is on IR and we have the chance to take a LT in the draft without having a good idea what we have in BC. Such fuging mismanagement

That's true, although it also depends ... A lot of top selection QBs have the chance to show something if they had decent-to-not-abysmal rookie campaigns. Jones, Darnold, Mayfield, Tannehill all survived a coach transition. Rosen did not but that was a unique situation. But it does seem the best strategy is for a HC to pick his QB. Also means no excuses. My concern is more for the player's development myself but I do see that angle.

Burrows played against such better opponents it's also hard to compare. OFC he had much better teammates as well, so... We will see how things develop, Pickett may turn out to be a great pro, but I think we will have other players of greater value available. Watch us take a fuging LB or something lol

I don't want Rhule trying to develop a young QB. It won't work. fug, I don't know if he can develop a young OL either. But I think a bad coaching year is less likely to ruin a stud OL than a reach QB... Rhule shouldn't be back, but if he is, I hope his hands are tied on future asset trades.

Tbf to pickett, his 2nd best season (2020) was Covid shortened and he bad a total of 21 TDs in 9 games. Burrows in his 2nd best had 23 TDs in 13 games. Burrows made better decisions with the ball no doubt but Picket did have a productive 2020 that was shortened by both Covid and injury. Pickett isn't someone I want at 6, but at this point it seems likely to me if Rhule is back. Burrows looked a bit better in his big year but honestly Pickett has looked very good at times this year, too.

So uh if the process is 1000% working, does that mean this is part of the process?

I know you're talking to someone else, but I just wanted to say I agree with this... I dont think Pickett looks like as good a prospect as those QBs... But a lot can change in interviews and workouts. I was just arguing dumb semantics tbh.

are you really going to act like 2020 was a normal college sports season and played the same number of games? lol... He also had 8 TDs in 2020 on the ground btw. I know as Panthers fans we like to act like rushing TDs are stolen from the poor RBs for some reason, but it is important to note he had 21 total TDs in 9 games in 2020, up from 15 total in 12 games the previous year. He also increased his per game yardage total. I'm not saying he had multiple amazing years, but you are the one that defined an 11 game, 1800 yard, 21 total TD as a productive season, not me. If that is the case, you have to admit Pickett has had 2 productive seasons too, lol.

I don't know what stats they were looking at... imo this isn't like the Rivera era where the team was playing well but we all could see the blunders he'd make coaching-wise. This is like... a total dumpster fire. Dunno why people defend him at all.

Pickett had 21 tds in 9 games in 2020 (his 2nd best season) vs Allen's 21 tds in 11 games (his 2nd best). He averaged ~100 more yards in the air per game than Allen too. Allen took care of the ball a little better in his second best season but not by a ton (keep in mind Allen threw the ball far less than Pickett). As physical prospects they aren't at all comparable, but in terms of lack of multi-year high-level production they certainly are.

tbf Pickett has a pretty clear progression too. His yards per game and TD% increased pretty much every year and if last season had been 12-13 game we'd be looking at ~3500 yards and ~18-20 passing TDs, plus the rushing TDs he had (he had 8 in 9 games last year)... so while not a great season it is a step up from the previous year by quite a bit. Lance and Herbert were 100% not considered surefire prospects tho. They were both risks. I don't recall Watson well enough to say. Wilson was the 2nd overall and would have gone first probably in a non-Lawrence draft.

if you're going to call Allen having 2 years of production, Pickett has multiple as well - they had the same number of total TDs in their 2nd most productive season, and Pickett played in 5 fewer games than Allen in that season (Allen's 2017 vs Pickett's 2020). Keep in mind 2020 was also the covid year. I already mentioned Cam's time at Blinn was discounted by many, tbh, understandably. I'm not saying the situations are the same (they def. aren't), but you seemed to be suggesting there was only 1 example of a guy with 1 productive year, and I'm just sharing that isn't true. Circumstances are definitely different, but my greater concern isn't with his productivity in college and more what his ultimate ceiling really is. Well, that and the fact our coaches blow so couldn't develop him at all.

Shaq's had some good plays the last couple weeks I think... although my attention hasn't been fully on games so I may be wrong. But overall, it looks like every player regresses the longer they're exposed to this staff. I hope Tepper can see what is obvious to us and we move on this year.