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I'm a huge critic of Rivera but he was an NFL quality coach and Rhule was a meh school level coach, that difference is large at this level. I get your point and there is something to it but Rivera can run one side of the ball and Rhule is qualified to play with his brand. That is a big gap from the beginning. Also those QBs that Rhule had were his choices. Not his top choices but the ones that would come here to play under him. He could have drafted Fields so that falls on Rhule after 3 years of chances to take a QB worth playing. Rivera without Cam is a sub .500 HC as his time in DC has shown but he is still .500 on this year even with his garbage QB preferences. Rhule just kept getting worse and Ron is amazingly stubborn about any change so he is still doing the same stuff and getting the same results every year. Any way I can look at it Rivera is a better HC in the NFL and that gap is really competency for the get go. Rhule had zero NFL competency and the best thing I can say is that he looked at players physical abilities so at least we have some physically talented players to try and coach up now.

Ron loved Hurney lol. Ron's best years were with DG, the years that got him over .500. He would have been a stellar HC in the 70s. He is a sub .500 HC without Cam and that is a fact from his time in DC.

Sam had years of tape going back to school that showed why he was a bad option at best. Spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB? Sure if they are decent. Trade for a guy who is worse than the QB they brought in the year before with multiple picks? That is just a bad job. We also could have had a QB in the draft but they had already committed to Sam. There is no positive in that trade. It's good he did a much better job with Baker but that is again not a great move but a desperate one that just cost less but ended up about the same.

When you take a new job and they ask you to do a move like the Sam trade you have already made a major mistake. He signed up for that and I do blame him for it even if Rhule was at the top of the blame pile. It's not going away. He way overpaid by any standard. The option was just another mistake at that point that they had to do because of their first huge mistake of overpaying for a QB in a trade. The option pickup just proves that he thought the Sam move was a good move, if there was any question he didn't have to use the option with the franchise tag available and they certainly were talking about that option at the time of the trade with how the options play into long-term planning. There is no way he isn't partly at fault for the Sam trade, he was a part of it whatever size that is and if we will ever know.

Ron made a lot of bad decisions and then used Cam in the only way he could after backing himself into multiple corners. Cam was always going to be special regardless and I don't really see anything Ron did to help that, lots of hindering but not much help. Thank god Cam had Olsen, Hurney's shining trade. By the time they got CMC Cam had been run into the ground by a desperate and underachieving HC.

Ron is showing who he really is up in DC. He was lucky to have Cam and Luke. Their marriage almost worked but it was a failure in the end unfortunately. I really don't know how many teams Cam would have worked with but he was a stud and I can't imagine anyone using him worse than how Ron did and he still lasted years longer than any normal human should have. Ron gets negative credit for Cam and what he did, once Cam was gone we have all seen who he is and it's very mediocre. Ron is a mediocre coach who has big positives and big negatives. Great person, great DC and mediocre HC. The breakdown of his records and the situations in each place back that up.

It is in Wahington and not here. Context and checking who said what matters because I never said what you quoted. And add in the fact that without Cam he would have looked a lot more like his Commie time here. So yeah mediocre overall at best who got lucky walking into a franchise QB who he ruined. Yay!

Nothing. Tepper would look like a fool again and Wilks wouldn't last 2 years playing conservative ball not as an interim HC. What makes him a safe interim HC is what makes him a bad HC candidate. Again Saturday won his first game coaching ever. I just don't see how Wilks can compete for this job with the other candidates being discussed...out side of clueless ownership.

.546 here and .422 up in DC for a total of .522. Bearly over .500 total with a sample size of 12 years. His window closed decades ago and without Cam he would not even break .500. And that is being kind.

Ohh there is a lot to say for sure. Good human and what is happening up in Commieland is par for the course. .500 HC built on tough football and limited by ability to adapt with the game. And he wanted Hurney back here and up there lol. He had a good win but they are division rivals and the Eagles are good but not unbeatable. It's not surprising really. Who beat Ron in his almost perfect year here? Yup. I'm still glad he is gone and Wilks looks too similar for any excitment about him long term. Congrats on the win and maybe not getting fired at the end of the year with Snyder up to his kneck in his gross mess.

It was written like it was came from Panthers.com lol

So the interim HC who is trying to stay in the NFL is using the guys the very bad HC brought in and wouldn't use and any of this is surprising? Didn't Saturday win his first game coaching at any level in the NFL? Wilks deserves his due for the good he has done but he is also showing why he shouldn't be considered for the long term job. Friterer is a whole other conversation and no one is sure if it is even worth having until Tepper shows he is at least intends to interview GM candidates. I noticed there was no mention of the Sam trade by Friterer lol. Fluff peice at best and very propagandish.

He is getting hired after this year and I hope we are the first to come asking to interview him.

I think a DE early and a trade up using the 2nds on a QB to trade up is looking more likely on our current path. Who knows how it shakes down but that isn't bad at all. If a QB steps up and raises their stock then all the better. You are desd on the coaching decisions looms over everything and I can't say I'm excited to see what Tepper does after getting completely fleeced by Rhule.

Maybe. There doesn't seem to be a perceived perfect QB again but there are some interesting QBs. I really don't expect players coming up from college not needing good coaching anymore or at least not as often. Ickey is way ahead of what I was expecting. Horn has looked good but we haven't seen enough of him. Brown took years under bad coaching to finally dominate. CMC took a year to become a true beast even though he was obviously a threat on day 1. I really don't think guys like Allen or Mahomes would have developed under Rivera or Rhule, maybe not even Herbert. I just expect us to have to train and coach up anyone worth drafting anymore. I wish I could have seen Cam with an offensive minded coach that pushed him a lot more. The best part of a rookie is their contract. As long as their isn't a mega deal involved then it's just a pick and an easy to forget contract. If we end up with a DE and TE then missing on a QB wouldn't kill me unless it was a Pickett / Jones level player which just seems like a wasted 1st to me with their obvious limitations.

Yes he cries a lot, it's well documented. What is your point?

I never said he was bad just not as great as you are trying to build him up to be. He can score and I would be fine with him as a FA. I don't think he is a Stafford but a solid step down. I don't think trading for him fixes us or is the 'one player away' from contending for a SB but he could be a better version of Alex Smith with the right HC. He is 0-1 in the playoffs, missing their 2016 appearance being hurt. I think that is a fair example of who he is as a QB. He puts up some good stats, is a good QB but he isn't a game changer or good enough to shoulder the weight of his imperfect team, which we will be again here next year as we dig out of this mess built over the last few years.

Lol lots of roles there but he has been in lots of close games this year and has pulled one out.

Nothing I said was untrue and I didn't apply one bit of attitude or negativity. It's just not worth staring at or worrying about right now. I offered an honest opinion and your emotional response with so little provocation hints that it's effecting you in a negative way, I know it would with me if I took that approach. It's not an untouchable subject obviously but taking a quick look and moving on is really the only sane move IMO until we are a lot closer to it being set for the offseason. It stinks but if you want to watch good football then you are going to have to watch other teams until the end of the year. I have watched more other teams this year then in the last 3 or 4 years and it is absolutely a coping mechanism to get me through this year with the sad hope that Tepper will hire a HC worth watching next year.

Carr has won zero close games in 2022. Link Even with their awful HC choice this year that stat stands out above the 1 300 yard game and no 3 TD games this year. I don't think he is awful and I would be fine in a couple of situations with us picking him up as a FA but I don't want to spend any draft capital on him.

Just stop looking until the end of the year. Watching our pick placement is like watching water come to a boil, it is pointless and a waste of time. Lets talk at the last game of the year. We will be picking in the top 10. That is close enough to make a move if there is one to make.

That is old school Hurney BS, it still lives in Carolina apparently. We need a lot more than just a QB...like start with competent coaching staff first. Another DE, a TE worth having on the roster and a healthy CB who can play 80% of their snaps. Stuff like that.

I was talking playoffs and not regular season. Context. As stated he has slipped recently. If we were getting Carr from years ago I would have said differently.

No thanks. I would rather go with a young guy who gets to play. Just getting into the playoffs seems like a low bar to be aiming for, Carr doesn't look clutch in those situations. Draft a rookie and play a FA vet if that fails and do it again if needed. If the roster is that close then do it right and use that window of cheap play from a rookie contract. If the next crew can't draft well then them being here longer wouldn't be a positive. Lets see what they can do and rip off the bandaid if they stink also.