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He is 37 this month. He looks great in comparison to Young but does he really look good compared to other bridge QBs in free agency? He has always been a guy with an ugly TD to Int ratio. He should have been the bridge guy the last 2 years but they wasted that by being a bridge to nowhere. How much do you think he really has left, especially when you look at the other potential bridge options next year. He looked good coming out but how long do you think he can even perform throwing 30+ times a game. I'm just praying he finishes the year as a starter. Fields has more yards per game and that's not including the rushing. Fields has 5/1 and Andy is 7/4 TD to ints. Fields is literally a better option lol. It's hard to say because Andy is a precious gift to Panther fans but don't get it twisted. I don't think he has a lot left anyways.

People here are fine with keeping him another 2 years regularly. This year? It's a mercy. Going forward? What he said.

Yeah no thanks unless you have a time machine to take the team back to the 80s. Even then meh. I would take Ron over him with a time machine.

All depends on the QBs like always. No one is saying force it but there will likely be options. I am personally not high on the top QB because they don't usually look like the best option to me...just the guy the media machine is in love with. They can't and shouldn't but it's one pick, or it should be. Plenty of talent to be had around that 1 pick every other year at worst. Also no position can carry a roster, still a team game. It's the most important and valuable position and it's simply not close.

With the guys set to hit the open market we will be signing people in free agency to fill needs so I'm not sure we would ever get that comp pick.

It's not an obsession but a necessity. We need better QB play. Dalton has been a big improvement but he is a backup at this point. The entire point of each season is to try and win a SB even if they have to build themselves up to get there. SF can't get it done with a loaded team and they need a better QB. I know it's hard to hear as a Panthers fan because it keeps not happening but you can build up a team and still take a shot at QBs without crippling the first part. It's a QB driven leuge. That doesn't mean it's justifiable to ignore the rest. But it's also not going to change anytime soon.

Yeah it was his sign out front I think. I just don't know what he would care about that doesn't go over the top. He keeps getting richer anyways. Being constantly embarrassed doesn't appear to do anything.

That one guy put his business out there. I just think if you use a middle man like that your open to that move. I would also pitch in $20. Just for fun to see if its gets to him

It really doesn't take much to make an accusation of wrong doing in a lawsuit that still sucks up money and time. It happens all the time, a big name in NC right now just did it to CNN and that is flimsy stuff too. It would probably start with the sign company who wouldn't try and fight it vs spending money. Tepper is petty AF so what's a couple of grand to lash out at something he doesn't like?

It's getting sued anyways. But I get it. Does anyone AI image count legally?

Just post the record since he bought the team over a game day picture of a mostly empty stadium

We would have to overpay to keep him. He was always a rental. I would guess he is already looking forward to his free agency payday. His base pay is 7 mil this year was a weird flex for a guy on his last year of his deal.

He makes profit regardless of wins. He isn't selling. If anything he gets burnt out with continuously failing and finds a new toy to play with that fills the blackmore that is his ego. You don't have to pull for Tepper to fail, it's an organic process for him in the NFL.

This is how a first year HC justifies getting fired. They would have to trade away most of the guys going into free agency to avoid a riot. It would also kill any chance of other players improving. Whatever, if it ends up in the rebuild I wanted to see this year then fine. Tune out until they demolish this retool.

Those guys didn't grade Byrce as a 3rd rounder so I don't really care what the 'experts' are spewing. The only QBs i have peeked at are Ward and Sanders. Both will get an NFL shot higher. There are also a couple of intriguing non first rounders. I'd still bet on 2 QBs at the top. Dalton is at his end. I don't see how more of that is an answer.

They can't afford even a decent QB in free agency and if they get a guy on a prove it year then they still should draft a QB. We will also be picking really high. If you don't let your OC HC draft his QB in that situation then just burn it all down and let different people do this thing. If it was a defensive HC I could see trading back and building the D up but that's not this situation. Go take a swing at a rookie QB, see what Canales can do with his pick of the litter and hopefully check off the most important position by far and that isn't debatable. If you have a vet on a prove it deal then a project not playing right away is also fine.

8 point from behind on Sunday going into the 4th... Also they would get behind slower if they ran more...

It's the NFL. If you don't have a QB you don't have your biggest need. It's plainly a QB driven league. Also blame Hurney for the one player away mantra he was known for that still lingers here after the endless retools. Yeah Hurney was driving the bus. That was confirmed. Until he gave his blessing the Rhule hire wasn't moving forward. Go read his take on that process at Rhule's house. Now the management after that is a big Tepper issue that's just morphed into whatever it really is this year with his PR awareness awakening. Morgan was here last year and some of the failures were his responsibilities last year as pro-personnel guy. Canales is just the dude they picked up because it was such an unwanted job with Young, Tepper and Morgan getting promoted. It's not a lynch mob. There are no torches. There are also no curves for wishful thinking coming from me. It's just calling it as I see it. If any of those people gets fired at the end of the year there are justifications at this point. I see positives and negatives but the tally I'm counting just isn't good right now. Edit: Hurney was Tepper's first real guy to be leaned on in a time when he was learning to be an owner. Stuff rubbed off on him and it's obvious if you look at that history. Young was such a 'one player away' move it was like Hurney's ghost was in the room. Hell it was like Clausen 2.0 but they had a 1st and no JR to nix that trade. Just saying.

I hope Jackson should be cheaper or more reasonable but all of those guys have agents in their ear. All agents also know teams overpay in free agency. A good chance can fall apart that easily. I hope we can keep him but I'm always prepared for the worst in the NFL as a fan.

Hurney taught him he needed a QB. He knew he didn't have one in 2019. Still Rhule was selling Tepper everything and anything he could get him to buy. That's a bad mix when the owner has no experience or knowledge of how any of that works and his new HC doesn't either. He had a hand in it because he is a meddler but Rhule was given overlord status here and he didn't want a rookie who he obviously didn't know how to coach up. It's complicated and still not 100% known as far as I know.

The 3 years where they did the QB hoping was when the HC was running the team like a school program. Again are you sure that was purely Tepper or the situation he created by hiring Rhule? I'm not. All of his hires are poor. Keeping Hurney to hire Rhule. Friing Hurney and hiring Fritterer who really was noting more than likeable at his old job. Hiring an old coach when he was heading into retirement and the entire hiring process that year was messy and ill conceived. Firing Friterer and promoting his assistant and then hiring his friend as the HC who has 1 meaningful good year as an OC with a help from a consultant and freaking Jim Caldwell, who also didn't get an interview anywhere else this offseason. That is all terrible hiring and not impatience. Waiting doesn't fix or help any of that. Hiring better and then managing them better sure would. Tepper can absolutely be impatient but his poor hiring and management practices are way more concerning and consistent.

Tepper hired Rhule. Hurney gave his blessing. Then he let Rhule run the place like it was a school program...even though Hurney knew that is not what the NFL is about. It is not uncommon for new HCs with to have old hands pushed on them for a year or 2. They were all bad hires done poorly. Also the dynamics of Tepper and Rhule are interesting. Rhule wasn't equipped to handle the situation and Tepper had no idea what he was doing. I think they both thought that was how the NFL worked lol. That's not impulsiveness but incompetence. Rhule needed scapegoats to keep his show going. It was Brady, the QBs and anyone else he could throw at Tepepr's feet. That isn't just about Tepper and it's not as simple as I think your making it out to be.

Talk about dodging a bullet. That also would have likely been 2 years of Clausen like Young got here. It's an easy top 5 all time bad trade for sure. Watson is up there too.

Bad hiring way over impatience for me. It's like with Brady. He should have been an assistant to an old hand for a year or 2. That's bad hiring. You can't wait for 3 or 4 years for a guy to hit what he should hit at the end of year 1. That's just bad hiring. Do we know it was DC and do we know it didn't include something like 'I need him to reset and sit behind a pro for a while'? I love Young being sat but I don’t know how all that actually happened. He needs to show improvement or I would be happy to see him gone. He wasn't a good hire. He was a Tepper special hire for sure. So was Reich and Rhule. I need to see him adapt the rest of the year. Get away from what he wants to do and do what he needs to do. He hasn't done those things the last 2 weeks and that's not a good sign to me.