Ricky Spanish

With your philosophy we'd need to sign Kelvin Benjamin and Eddie Lacy.

I have a feeling Foreman may have played himself a bit in the whole situation as well. He's a healthy scratch for the Bears at RB behind herbert and a rookie right now, so it's not like he's lighting the world up elsewhere.

I also look at Hurney from a different cutoff point than others. Everyone compares the first and the second stint, but to me the tale of two Hurneys were the before and after the '08 draft Before that draft, I would classify Hurney as a solid to good GM. He was putting together some solid teams that were unfortunately getting derailed by significant injuries. Then he traded for Jeff Otah and the wheels just fell off. He extended Delhomme after his playoff implosion and then we got Tommy Jone Delhomme there after. '09 was probably the worst draft in the history of the franchise, especially when you consider we traded a future first to move up in the 2nd to take everette brown. '10 was also horrible because we didn't have a first for the second year in a row, then we ended up taking pickles and trading a future 2nd to move up in the 3rd for armanti edwards. After assembling the team with the worst record in the league, he went on a spending spree and extended half of that 2 win team to bad contracts and investing WAY too much money into the RB position while the rest of the league was doing the opposite. We then drafted Cam which was a fantastic pick, but literally every other pick in that draft completely sucked. '12 was probably the best draft Hurney had in years but he had already crapped the bed so many times over 4 years it was time to move on. We brought him back and it was like nothing changed. Giving a RB a record breaking deal, overpaying for mid players and sucking at drafting in every round but the first. Hurney from 02 to 08 - Good GM. Hurney from 09-20 with a break in the middle, bad GM; and The bad was significantly worse than the good

Yeah, I'm not willing to die for Scott Fitterer.

No I read it, and overall I agree with the fact it's too early to say one way or the other. But gun to my head if I am being made to give my opinion on how the overall roster construction, drafts, trades, contract negotiations, and overall team record have gone since Fitt has taken over I'd say it hasn't been good so far. It could get better. I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying objectively, so far it's been bad.

Have you read the huddle this week? Monday night and Tuesday morning he was already written off as the worst pick of all time.

No need to be condescending. The only way he comes out of all this as the least worst is if Bryce ends up being good. It's WAY too early to say one way or the other on him, but everything leading up to this moment has been more bad than good. How much was on him in 2021 is uncertain, but it's still a part of his overall body of work. Season isn't over yet so It's too early to say one way or the other. But based on overall team results thus far the arrow is currently pointing down, and I say that thinking the team will be better the second half of the season.

I agree with what @pantherj said regarding him being ruthless. I wanted that. I wanted a GM to come in and play hardball so we wouldn't overpay someone like Williams, Anderson, or Johnson again. He took it too far though. Even if I do believe it was the right decision, the way he unceremoniously cut Smitty sucked. The Norman thing was just, so egregiously mishandled. Playing hardball was fine, and it was obvious that Norman was elevated by the system and players surrounding him so I had no problem not giving him the contract he eventually got in DC, but to cut him outright with zero compensation? Unnecessary and dumb.

I really don't think people give Gettleman enough credit for the players he drafted. First of all, he wasn't consistently picking at the beginning of the first like Marty's teams were, so the better talent was generally gone before he was picking. Secondly, he may not have found as much A+ talent as Marty did (Again, Avg draft position under hurney was 13th-ish and Gettleman it was 21st-ish) but he found plenty of Good to solid players in the C+ to B+ Range, something Marty was terrible at. If Marty wasn't drafting a star, he was drafting a guy that was out of the league after his rookie contract was over. Gettleman got us Star, KK, Shaq, CMC, Samuel, Moton, Turner, Daryl Williams, AJ Klein, Bradberry, and butker even if we didn't keep him. That's a damn solid crop of players over a 5 year span and doesn't even include Norwell as a UDFA. HE whiffed big on Butler, and KB ate himself out of the league, and the Matt Kalil contract was awful. Won't argue that. But his drafting, in general, get's shat on more than I think is deserved based on avg draft position and quality of players he was able to grab.

Fitt is still incomplete but he's starting to look like the worst of the bunch.

The cupboard is getting bare and we aren't replacing the rations we use. It's fun and all to trade but I don't know if I trust Fitt to be the one to do it anymore. We have only gotten negative returns on almost every trade we've done. And unless Bryce ends up our Franchise QB, that's another nail in the coffin for him. I dunno, I've said recently I wouldn't be heartbroken if we moved on from Fitts, but I wouldn't be upset if kept him one more year. If he stays next year it's a make or break year for him though.

The list is: Luvu Bozeman That's all I got. Woods and Bell maybe?

Dude is coming off of two major injuries to different parts of his legs. He might not quite be as explosive as he once was.

I'ma lock this. Data is outdated. He seems to have plenty of time to throw.

I really think that's the biggest issue at the moment for this offense. It's not a bad offensive scheme, but it's complicated, and NONE of these skill position guys have played together before this season. Playbook might be too open for everyone to be on the same page, not just Bryce. If this staff is smart they will simplify some concepts that will put the players in positions to be successful moving forward, and gradually open things up as they get more comfortable.

I don't either. I think the offense kind of sucks. But it IS too early to make definitive claims one way or the other.

We had a top 5 defense at this point back in 2021 with Darnold. ENDED at bottom 5. A lot can happen in 15 weeks my dudes.

Saints and Falcons defensive ratings so far this season: Total Defense: Total yardage: 3rd and 4th Total points allowed: 6th and 9th Yards per play allowed: 3rd and 8th 1st downs allowed: 4th and 15th Passing Passing yardage allowed: 2nd and 7th Yards per passing attempt: 3rd and 4th Chicken or egg situation at this point. Too early to tell if the offense completely sucks or we just kinda suck and are playing good defenses. Let's see how we do against Seattle.

If Microsoft edge has the courage to ask you to keep it as your default browser, you can have the courage to believe that the panthers will get better. But honestly, you're more demoralized now than you were after week 8 in year two of the Rhule era? More demoralized than last year before he was fired? This is cloudy with a chance of optimism for me man.

Brown would turn him from handsome squidward to regular squidward.

He was, had the green dot and everything. Not sure who that goes to now.

That's where I'm at. I'm not thrilled with it. I'm not surprised by it. But I'm not worried about it yet (Even though I am concerned. jk). New coaching staff, new offense, new scheme, new skill players, new QB, plus Reich teams also have a tendency to start off slow so my "Slow start" bingo card is being filled out nicely. I do maintain optimism that it will get better as the year goes on, which is something many have already given up on I guess. Oh well.

He did not. I rewatched some of the last part of the game when Throckmorton was in and dude was kind of a stonewall from the few plays I watched. It may not have been as good as the few I did see, but he anchored his ass and gave zero ground on multiple pass plays.