Jay Roosevelt

Bryce has shown flashes, yes. People here just refuse to see it. The Huddle loves to be miserable.

They'll always hate him because he's not Cam Newton.

Regardless, the fact that Reich would burn a timeout because he didn't know Adam Thielen wasn't on the field is a sign right there of how clueless he is as a playcaller.

Looks about right. No downfield game whatsoever.

He threw two passes into the endzone early in the game that should have been caught.

You're right, it IS a problem that the coaching staff doesn't trust him to throw the ball down the field. Because he CAN throw it downfield. The coaching staff is handling him with kid gloves and there's no reason for it. THAT'S the biggest difference between him and Stroud/Richardson. All we heard about all offseason was how Bryce wasn't limited in running the offense. We saw him in camp routinely make throws downfield (remember all the D.J. Chark hype?) and then as soon as the games start everything is dink and dunk and they don't trust him to throw downfield? I call bullshit on that.

What the hell are you talking about? Nobody on this board can agree on anything EXCEPT that Derrick Brown is playing out of his mind.

That Bryce doesn't have the arm to throw into the endzone from the 18-yard line. That's pure ignorance. BTW, can y'all please do something about these damn ads that cover the entire page?

Not as a rookie he doesn't. This isn't Madden. The fact that he's playing as well as he is with so much garbage around him is, frankly, a miracle.

I always thought you were smarter than to say something so ignorant.

He was fine today. If you can actually watch that game and come away thinking Bryce Young is the problem then you don't know enough about football to have an educated opinion. I'm not saying it's a sure bet that Bryce becomes a star, but I am saying he is not being given a fair chance behind this OL, throwing to these receivers and running these junior varsity plays that Reich is calling. And despite that he had a solid game today. You guys are being WAY too hard on him, presumably because you'd rather be right about your pre-draft opinion of him than see him succeed.

Michael Irvin once said he cried after almost every game his rookie year because they lost so much. It wasn't because he couldn't play or because he was soft. It was because he cared about winning and despised losing. Some of you need to grow up.

They're saying it because he's not Cam Newton.

You can't blame Frank Reich. We just don't have enough Adam Theilens to run all the routes in his playbook.

Jim Brown couldn't crack 3 YPC behind our OL right now.

Makes sense for both leagues, IMO. There's just not enough interest - to say nothing of decent players - to support two spring leagues.

Generally I'd agree, but getting a known quantity for a 3rd round pick is a pretty safe move if it's actually on the table. Unlike giving up a 3rd rounder for C.J. Henderson, who hadn't shown much in Jacksonville and we acquired based on untapped potential. I'm not as big a Jerry Juedy fan as some here, but he's a solid player and 3rd round picks are pretty overrated in terms of your chances of actually drafting an impact player.

If we can't run the ball any better than last week it'll look something like this: 73/123, 443 yards, 1TD, 1 INT

For a 3rd? Absolutely.

Michael Vick in his prime couldn't escape all the pressures Bryce has dealt with.

These assessments match my own almost exactly. It's refreshing to read some actual logical and well thought out takes on Bryce for once instead of "he's small and can't throw 5 yards! BUST!!!" after 2 games.

That's my point; those picks can be great players, good players, or busts. Either way you have to hit on your picks outside the 1st round to be successful. If we still had our 1st rounder next year and ended up drafting a stud with it that's great, but if we keep missing on all these picks outside the 1st round it likely won't matter much in the long run.

I agree in a sense. I hate today's dink-and-dunk approach, but that cuts both ways. Back in the day (I'm talking farther back than the 2000s) it wasn't uncommon to see QBs with completion percentages around 50% because 1) defenses could get away with a LOT more, and 2) offenses were looking to get chunk plays when they threw the ball, not 4-5 yards on a screen pass. It's just the evolution of the game. I'm sure in 30 years they'll be complaining about something else. Just the way it is.

D.J. Moore might have been worth a 1st in terms of trade value, but what was his real value to us on the field with Sam Darnold and P.J. Walker throwing to him? And two 2nds can also be equal to YGM and Terrace Marshall, Jr. Picks are only as valuable as the players you use them on. It's about building a team, not a collection of draft picks. There are ways to add talent without a 1st round pick. We can trade up, trade for a player, sign free agents, etc. Those moves better work out, yes, but that would be just as true if we had drafted our QB at #9 and still had our 1st next year.

The 49ers gave up three 1sts + a 3rd to move up to #3 overall to take Trey Lance. The Browns gave up three 1sts + a 3rd + two 4ths for Deshaun Watson, who was being accused of rape at the time. So yeah, compared to those deals I'd say we gave up considerably less. The fact is any deal like this is going to depend entirely on how the QB drafted turns out. If Bryce ends up being as good as his potential then nobody will care what we gave up to get him; if he busts we'll be talking about it for years. But that doesn't change the fact that not having a 1st round pick next year (or D.J. Moore) means we're somehow crippled in our ability to improve the team around Bryce Young. BTW, those picks the 49ers gave up was for a guy they just traded away for a 4th rounder to Dallas. Last time I checked the 49ers are doing just fine despite giving up those picks AND missing on the QB they drafted. The trade was a risk, not a death sentence.