Basbear

Awful rough start. I know 6th rounder are what-evars, they traded one for a DE thats only be active twice (i think) for the whole season. He came form Buffalo, Dan should know him well. He can not get a jersey for ST on a team with some of the worst ST in the league. Scott, Dan and the whole front office have had a "Rhule" like season right there with the coaching staff. Without blaming Rhule the free agents, draft picks, and in-season moves have yielded very poor results. When Fitt first got here he had close to 120 million in cap space for the 2022 season. He burned nearly 4/5 of that this season!!!! I think its close to 30 million. TERRIBLE>> Can not blame Rhule for that. Awful rough start.

Not to nit pick, but he traded 3 picks for Sammy boy- 2021 4th........2022 2nd&6th He also traded 6th for a bufflao DE/STer that never gets a game day jersey(I blame Dan morgan for this mostly) Traded pro bowl perryman and a 7th tor an 6th(also got dead cap for this...) He did move Greg Little for 7th without any BS to lose the pick if greg doesnt play 12.8% of the snaps stuff. Traded a 2023 6th to prevent the Bucs form getting Gilmore, could still get a comp pick for him. His pratice squad pick ups have been poor as well, tho its not talked about.... Again I liked the moves.....not liking the results.....Id STILL do that CJ henderson trade, he was injured and didnt have a panther training camp. See how he is after a full panthers off-season, I still got big hopes for Henderson&Horn seatbelts.

2020 was at least average on the bad days......this 2021 group is just bad. Including Moton whom looks like he is pulling a Tri Turner now that he got paid, hes been pissed poor. Im a John Miller fan, but this season hes played very poor before and after coofus. Daley gets my vote as the worst of the worst. Former fan as well. Erv played about 50% "average/decent/ok" to 50% "daley" Theres some light.....I blasted on Elf, but he looks "decent" at C after a few games. Christ and Brown may get roles for 2022. Plus moton could bounce back to solid/no worries status. I still believe Christ would be one hell of a LG and Brown should be a serviceable RG as well. Need to find a NFL LT, they are much rarer than NFL QBs. Thats the biggest issue, needs to be at the top of every list.....

I think that would be the better fit and for sure the better job. I just dont know how well Fields would do in a WC based system. But the bears have a petty good D to lean on until peterson figures out the O.....another issue would be the best WR on the team hates playing for the team and hes a FA.

Fitts FA class was 2/10, the one saving grace was reddick and hes only here cause temple. I dont judge rookie classes in the first year. I gave his draft class 8/10 a couple weeks after. In season...........its been closer to the FA class even without factoring in the injury to horn. TMJ got Joke Brady fired me thinks as well. I do really enjoy having a aggressive GM, the issue is the results.......he seemed to think this was a playoff team and spend resources......it blew up. just not a good start, but also unfair to him judging this early into his first GM gig.

Got to be either the jags or texans is the worst NFL HC gig.... I did seee they asked about bryon left and I believe Doug peterson is up for an interview as well. Doug said to the public he has big interest, which was odd..... I think the whole philly org spread some bad rumors about dougie... Trent drives away winning NFL coaches, checks notes... thats bad

Facts- panthers are in 2022 mode and have been since CMC&Djak went to IR. SO, given Sam is on the hook for 18.8 million for 2022, it is better for him to get the reps since this is more than likely Cams swan song. Been one of the best panther memories if Cam lead them to the playoffs, it didnt happen.... No team, (without panthers paying over half) will trade for Sammy. Hes going to be a panther and they need to get him ready...... I need to bump my comments soon after Cam came back and I said " Rhule will embarrass him" Old @SizzleBuzz called this as well.... props!

Ive been meaning to pass this along to you- Elf(coofus got him this week) has not looked bad at all playing C. I thought the sliver lining to his signing would be 2022 C and after he replaced Paradis, played much than him and his time at OG. God willing......I think they can go into the draft with the thinking that Moton is your RT rock and Elf is your C. Not going to ponder the Christ/brown stuff, just i think the panthers may *only need to find 2-3 starting OLmen.....Elf has been one of the very few bright spots the last month or so. Thats his comfy home.

I like old Jimmay and all, plus he is sticking up for his friend. Still hes needs to shut the fug up about this.

Merry Christmas!

Nice work. Personally I never use picks on ST *rare exceptions*. Plus no CB is needed unless he is rounds above the others in value. Need a minimum of 3 OLmen and at least one true LB(you have this). If the whole draft was OL was tiny bit of DL, no problem with that. The one spot the panthers are deep with young talent is DB. TE is worth a late round pick too, in history those have given great results for draft spot. DL is not getting talked about, but I feel its a big need. QB is other option as well, some late rounder will get over-looked and be a 10 year NFLer.

Brother right now I believe its 60/40 they trade the pick, so prepare thy-self..... Right now I got him form 3-15th.....just after getting my hopes ruin my this team&draft......I dont what to get super hyped for a player again.....sewell going one pick before panthers AND the year before the best young QB being one pick away......eternal pain. I think panthers will pick 6th or 7th, Cross&Neal could *VERY* easily go just before the panthers pick, just like the last couple years... I would not feel this way if the QB was just decent, so that leaves DL and OL as the best of this years pool.

I have thought of that, but its much harder to get other teams to trade picks for QB that youre not playing or want to trade. Pats(mainly bill) and Andy Reid are the only ones able to do this consistently.

As a draft nut, one of my older "rules" was each draft take a WR. As i refined my method and QB worths' gained value......I thought QB should have the same treatment.....but if you draft one each year, by 5 year...5 QBs is too many unlike WRs..... Be smart.

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Solider field is way up there too, weird how its ok at a few places, but others once the stadium hits 10 its "dated and needs replacing" There was a study not long about the true financial impact of a new stadium for the locals. Turns out its was no better than having a local super target. Compete joke. IF i was king of all, use one stadium for multiple teams including college....even HS. Near the same waste as golf courses....

Cross was my main target when I thought the panthers would finish around 15th in the seeding... Also starting to think he is the 2nd best LT after Neal. He'd be a great pick *if the panthers traded back a few spots. By combine/pro-days he maybe worth the 5th as well.

I think Neal is the best LT in the draft, so now (unless..) I see no chance he lands on the panthers(given they can hope for no better than 5th). Getting a better grasp and finding targets. lastest haul- Ive been trying to add a late round QB cause Im done with PJ Walker. Trying to always add MLB in the mid-rounds. No less than 3 OL will be in my drafts. Liking Peitt-fiere was a top 20 HSer. Panthers seem to like OSU players and he is a great pick for the 4th. https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock-nfl-mock-draft-simulator/draft.php?d=zunmwf 8: R1 P8 OT Evan Neal - Alabama 105: R4 P3 OT Nicholas Petit-Frere - Ohio State 150: R5 P8 LB Mike Jones Jr. - LSU 156: R5 P14 C Doug Kramer - Illinois 191: R6 P12 QB Cole Kelley - Southeastern Louisiana 246: R7 P27 TE Greg Dulcich - UCLA

Is CAM a HOFer???? Its a tough one for me.....I feel yes with a few years of waiting.....but you can make a case for and against..... Id also note my standards are higher than the current HOF ones......its not hall of very good.......and Cam is/was very good for parts of his career......its a tough one...

sad efa noises....

Picked up this sleeper edge

@Gipetto in here like, \ as he swims in all the cry babies tears. Best thread in some time, no matter what side you take!

Panther-wise this has been the worst reffing season in my viewing history. BY FAR. Feels like most games have 3 big calls that are total BS go against the Panthers. Plus the 50/50 calls all seem to go against them as well. Refs call the game like they have money on the other team. Never felt this bad, even during the Cam"your're not old enough for that call" trash era.

Too depressing to answer.