Basbear

Me- "This is like 2021 all over again..."

Must be family member or you still are needing to get a eye exam. So please make sure Moton gets home cooking form his mum/(are is that you?!?!) and tell him hes got plenty of supporters in allll of panther land!! You seemed very hardheaded and sure of your eyes. Thats normal form people getting old and refusing to get a eye exam- Sooo I did you a solid and looked up ones around @NorthTryon https://www.google.com/search?q=eye+exam+north+tryon&rlz=1CAFYBR_enUS981US981&oq=eye+exam+north+tryon&aqs=chrome..69i57.9918j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Godspeed!!

I tell you what.....after that game, this is not crazy talk. Moton been solid for dam near his whole career, he should bounce back. Just personally never had him in the top tier OT or even RT groups, but hes never had a game that bad before. Panthers need him.

Reads like Matt Rhule wrote it...

All true. I will add, he also struggled in 2021 along with the other 4 OLmen.......Bad start to the season for sure. He can not repeat that performance. It sorta of reminded me of Taylor Lewan against Chandler Jones, made Motons sunday play look like 1st team all-pro play. Just weird deal sometimes with the OL people. Team needs Moton to be the rock he is, not add to the problem with having having a rookie LT...

I sure hope no one heads over to the draft forum and digs up my statements about him......

Sounds right.

Do you remember what was the business name that Ken worked for before the Panthers? I think it was in FL, like many are. I sorta remember him owning part of it, but not sure of that part.

He did look good minus the snap-wufus. FYI Browns have either the 30th-32nd ranked DT group....

It did played out like a pre-season game. Baker was playing the team that drafted him #1 and no matter what......it affected him. Same for others Ickey, Elf and most of the coaching staff... Too nervey, just was not ready for a game that counted until it was too late.... then the refs and a fuging rookie Kicker nailed a 58.... Wish this whole game, the plan, the snaps was in the 3rd PS game....o well.

Thanks for the pictures brother! Sucks about the video, but Ive already seen the horror. I first asked North T to rewatch the game and focus on Moton and then listen to smitty call him "trash" twice..... He picked the wrong guy to say "youre just following smiths words". Ive never been a Moton fan, got 100s of post to back it up too. He was recycled dog vomit.

I think theres no firm answer. One of my issues, is I always overrate the panthers draft classes. Never learned in 15+ years of being a draft nut.

How does Herbert and Allen look now? You trashed both, hardcore... One is playing like he should have won the 2021 MVP and repeat this year. The other can prevent it and he, himself win the MVP.

I maybe wrong, but I thought Ken was running or heavily involved with one of the better draft-prep orgs before RR hired him. About 92% sure he was helping draft QBs prepare for NFL/combine/improve. Along with running a huge gym ala ricky proehl

I wonder what his true feeelings are since RR/carolina fired him....He may have issues with coming back........FYI I know this and Ive said it before- It was not Ken Dorseys fault Cam didnt improve, it was Cams. Honestly I need to see more of him and what type of picture he is painting by seasons end....but i will keep tabs. Beofre he took over Bufflao didnt need a punter for like 3 games....he lead the same out-come, but the guy @LinvilleGorge hated is the best weapon/player in the whole league. It is a 3rd down nightmare if youre against Allen now, unstoppable.

How long do you think its fair(real world) to "improve" one group? As to say the others dont get weaker too. I mean this is a tough one for me, personally.

Not familiar with either iggles coaches....but they did surprise many(including me) last year..Plus id say its easy for they to win the division now. Putting them on my list of research if "it" happens....

@NorthTryon Found another that doesnt need eye wear...

One of the guys that shared a meal with Mccvay......hmmmm.....I was shocked when pete hired him to run his run first, second, third offense ... Honestly rather have Ben Mccadoo. Or wilkis Or even Tabor....

Where would you place the "potential" side of things?? Wide term, but I do feel the *young* talent has improved. Issue is panthers need vets.......not pups...

@Mr. Scot I think finnesserererererere will stay around, no matter what happens to rhule and crew. Teeeepper would have the most input, after him would be scotty......and he loves most things Seattle...... I looked over the coaching staff.(when did my guy ken norton leave??)......looks like panthers may have a better staff......

I think nearly all college coaches winning the lotto had a big effect too. Plus any men thats used a urinal next to MccVay has gotten a HC or OC on other teams. Theres is some rumors out there that Frank Reich could be on the seat of most warmth...

Dallas gets the normie hate for being the worst fans, but the real ones know the Pats fan are the worst. In a league thats set up for all teams to go 8-9/9-8, their worst record was like 12-4 over the last 20ish years. Made like 10 AFC championships and won 5(?) bowls too......THings change- dreamboat hits the high seas and land another decent rookie QB.......They should be banned form complaining for the next 50 years(much like indy).

fug Im failing at the now NFL.

Is it me or theres no longer "hot" coaching names? If Rhule gets canned I feel teeper will go the re-tread route.....the pricey. I finally broke down and hit the search engine= Raheem Morris, he is one of the rarest coaches out there. Already been a HC and still "young". Coached dam near everything on both sides. Been with the big brained Mccvay for years. Turned around the struggling rams D with a bunch of no-names, 99, and Ramsey. Matt Eberflus is another, indy has been a top 10 D for years and no body knows. Kellen Moore- fits the young model. Panthers are running most of his stuff already. No idea if he could hire a legit staff..... I will say this, like when John Fox got here and looked at the tape.....He saw softness and #1 thing he did was toughen the men up.......2021 was ALL soft and the first game of 2022 - S-O-F-T hire a proven strength coach too, fug this weak poo... Guy fluffed Rhule in college and been following him around and alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll I see is weak players.