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I wish we took Stroud. He was my draft crush, but we can't change the past. He would have our offense looking better now doubt, but I am not sure how good peak Rodgers could look in this Fitter/Reich poo show.

Yeah one QB had a higher completion %, a better YPA, and a win vs one who threw it 27 more times (nearly double) had more yards and one more TD in a loss. It's a strange flex to me. I hate to state the obvious, but if you throw it twice as much you typically get more yards even with a lower YPA.... Young's best game was very pedestrian, and you can easily argue he played better than Dalton.

Why do you think Dalton's performance against Seattle was better than Young's against Houston? Young just didn't have as many attempts but his YPA was better plus his completion % was better and (most importantly) he secured a win. Dalton had more yards but I would argue he was the less efficient QB. I just think Dalton's game wasn't that special that's all. It gets overhyped on here quite a bit IMO...

Does he get 58 attempts? Seattle secondary was pretty banged up. If he played like he did against Houston 7.58 YPA he should get more with 58 attempts, but that was by far his best game. His worst game would be much worse with some turnovers. I would imagine he would have and INT or fumble throwing the ball that much regardless. For example the Colts had a bad secondary and he played like complete poo.

You seem to think I'm defending Young. I'm not. I am saying Cam was in a completely different situation and was a completely different QB. There is no comparison. I also think Dalton's loss in Seattle wasn't as special as some people on here think it was. Young has struggled, but more importantly Tepper, Fitt, and Reich have struggled. If we don't correct that it won't matter how many QBs we swap out.

So you think Dalton would have a 6,137 yard 34 TD 0 INT season? Got it. It wasn't an outlier that's just how good he is. He would be throwing it damn close to 1000 times as well with his 6.2 average. Seattle was cruising that whole game and those last 75 yards and a TD came in garbage time similar to the Lions game. Our rookie does that against prevent and we laugh at it, Dalton does it and he is the next Peyton Manning. I am glad to switched to that Dalton argument again though because the Cam one was absurd. The lack of rational posts is starting to get even longer than the excuses... One can think Young has looked bad and Dalton's game was also nothing special. They don't have to contradict each other.

I really don't care what was projected it was all speculation. The situation is no where close to the same. Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Jeremy Shockey, Williams is on a different level that what we have going on. Hype before the season means nothing if our staff/players can't deliver. Reich has neutered the best thing about our offense in the OL and turned them into a weakness. It's all a complete mess. We've already discussed the Dalton thing which shows it's an outlier unless you believe he will have a GOAT type season for us, or maybe Seattle had some secondary issues which is why we threw it 58 times in that loss. He could be a bust, but expecting a rookie to pop in here and have a Cam Newton type season with Reich and this roster is a pipe dream and going to leave you disappointed. We need a new GM and HC (honestly a new owner but that's a different story), if Young busts and that leads to Fitt and Reich leaving then there is something good that comes out of it.

Completely different QBs and completely different situations. No I don't think Young can or will become a Cam Newton but at this point we are stuck with him probably through 2024. Let's hope we get get adequate talent and an adequate staff to give him a chance, but if we don't or if he continues to struggle we start all over in 2025.

I'm sticking with Olsen again in saying the DB just made a great play. He has been doing it all year since Diggs went down. Young's mistake was not seeing Tremble having no one pick him up. Tremble should have been the read.

Higgins has been battling injuries all year. We need to stretch the field and I'm not sure he alone will do that. Brown can stretch it and so can Tez. Double dip with a FA and a high draft pick. Our offense lacks speed so the defense gets to stack the box. Higgins was drafted for Burrow as a rookie. Downs was looking great for AR before AR got hurt. Dell is looking great for Stroud (he is a speedster as well). Pickens was drafted to help Pickett. Drafting a rookie WR to help your young QB is pretty common we just drafted the wrong one. We drafted one that can't stretch the field or create separation right now in Mingo. Tez is the opposite. Mingo is better suited in the slot but we have AT there.

That's just part of it. The Jags had to do the same.

How is Hollywood now a proven talent? He has had a solid year with some bad QB play. We need speed and YAC. Brown fits that role. Brown and AT compliment each other and Tez brings speed/size/hands which is something we also need. Brown, AT, Tez, and Mingo is a nice core if we get a coach that uses them correctly. Higgins is a great big bodied WR, but he isn't a speedster that will stretch the field. While Higgins is better, Brown is a better fit and should be cheaper.

I kind of want Hollywood Brown for his speed. Brown and draft Tez plus a center.

Who knows if Fields had DJ Moore and CMC from his first start he might look a lot better.

I don't know if I can bring myself to watch this again.... It was so bad the first time.

I think as @CRA stated we didn't want anther top 10 pick used on a linebacker. I don't think it was realized how good of a pass rusher he could be and has become. We also had Burns and needed a LT, QB. CB, and probably a lot more... https://www.nfl.com/prospects/micah-parsons/32005041-5275-3418-9a2d-9826287ee445 NFL comparison there is Myles Jack who is more of the traditional MLB type of player vs pass rusher.

I remember a big Fields vs Slater debate. I wanted Fields, but yeah Slater would have been the best choice IMO. Parsons didn't play that COVID year so I don't think he was as hot of a topic as people are remembering.

Sanders, Ewers, Daniels (Kansas), Allar (only 2nd year), I would expect Ward returns as well, Rising said he is returning (not a high pick anyway). Just off the top of my head it could be a decent class...

It's also a reoccurring issue with Reich. I'm not sure it gets better until he is gone or the OL is completely redone....

They are coming right up the middle through our center and guards. What you are saying would make more sense if our tackles were struggling the most. Moton is the only one who played well. They lined Parsons up directly over Bozeman and he got to Bryce in under 2.5 seconds damn near every time.

Pederson called the plays I believe.

That’s how they played against Cam all game long.

How often were his QBs getting pressured? I’m concerned Reich has issues with OL in his scheme. I know Luck retired early due to injuries and he was constantly hit, but Frank only had him for one year. Even in his 3 wins his last season the offense struggled and his QB was abused. Our OL looks way worse under him than it did last year as well.

Just showing how he has become outdated. Plus I stumbled across this Matt Ryan article and it looked very familiar. @CRA was mentioning his offensive issues dating back to San Diego. I’ll have to see how Rivers and Wentz held up in a Reich OL scheme…