BrianS

I think it's too early in the rebuild to give up so many picks. We really need a QB, but most of the elite established QB's are just going to eat up too much room right now for us to be the team we want to be. We need three or four really good drafts. Once we've got the foundation of the team rebuilt, yea, we could grab a vet QB if we haven't found a drafted one.

He's in. His numbers alone say he is in. There were a handful of years there where he was just uncoverable. Yes, he had some off field / locker room issues, and yes that does tarnish his legacy a little bit, but you cannot ignore the body of work.

I dunno why, I just think of Harbaugh as a defense guy. Probably because of the team he coaches.

You are not wrong. He's done ok developing defensive disciples, which is weird. I suspect it's because he actually lets those guys go do their thing. McDermott and Harbaugh come to mind.

That's too many picks this year. Like the idea, not sure about that comp.

Do you know what I can't believe? Two offensive coaching staffs managed to know Remmers and his problems and DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO COVER FOR IT. It's the "too many weapons" and not enough players problem.

Really? When? His *only* seasons with any success at all were with . . . Peyton Manning. His one coordinator season without Manning? 18th in total offense. Honestly, what has Gase actually accomplished? Oh, he was the QB's coach for one of the best to ever play in Manning. A guy who frankly didn't need a coach - a guy who probably WAS a coach. Gase has done nothing, and it's now caught up to him. He'll be lucky to get a positional job in the NFL at this point. As a rule, people get too wrapped up in the coaching. Sometimes players just transcend the coaching. Manning. Brady. Montana. Favre. Organizations should be very careful to evaluate coaches outside the confines of those transcendent players. It's one reason I had/have hope for the Rhule hire. The guy didn't succeed because he had the best players. He took bad players in bad programs and turned them into good players. Yes, I agree, he never won anything, but he made the right steps for as long as he was with each program. Which, honestly, wasn't very long. Bienemy? Yea, same story. What has he actually done? Nothing that I can tell.

To be fair, you can't level that criticism at Robby and not do the same with Curtis. Because pre-TB5, they both had about the same catch %. Both of them jumped up in catch % this year. Someone is going to see that and overpay Curtis. Personally, I'd rather have a 6' 3" true outside receiver than a 5' 11" slot guy. I love Curtis and what he brings to the offense, but slot guys are not that hard to find. Our problem historically is that all we seem to find is slot guys. Then we try to push them outside and they fail. Rinse repeat.

What Watson wants is irrelevant. The Texans aren't going to give him away. He clearly has some unrealistic expectations.

I hope he goes in as a Panther, if he does go. While most of his on field exploits were with the Saints, I think it's safe to say he had a much larger impact here.

His fumbling history is no different than Russell Wilsons. Also bear in mind Carr's worst year with fumbles was the same year he was sacked FIFTY ONE times.

Dear OP: You like Mac Jones. We get it.

If Luck decides to unretire he still has three years left on his Colts contract.

I can't wait to hear the explanation of how 11 players will be off the board by pick 8.

False logic. The Falcons taking a QB has nothing to do with Matt Ryan coming back. He was always coming back. It has everything to do with the fact that Matt Ryan is 36. It has everything to do with the quality of the QB class and where they are picking within that class. There is no scenario where we draft at eight and less than four QB's are off the board before we do.

No, this is incorrect. That's the knock that some folks have for Carr, but you need to watch his eyes when he plays. His eyes are downfield, sometimes for a little too long. His first read is always downfield. If anything, I think he's sometimes a little late getting to the checkdown. Not that he doesn't take it, but it's definitely not his preferred choice. FWIW - Carr had a higher intended air yards per attempt than Aaron Rodgers, Kyler Murray and Big Ben (as well as 18 other QB's).

Carr would be a MUCH better contract for us that TB5. Nothing in there guaranteed assuming he comes over in trade. If he comes here and lights it up, you've found a guy who can give you another 5-7 years. Plenty of time for a SB run. If he is terrible, you can cut him easily.

Just the opposite. He takes his team downfield and scores. Five times last year. He had a sixth time pissed away after he put his team ahead of the Chiefs with 1:45 to go and the defense couldn't get a stop.

Because if you HAD watched Carr play you wouldn't be making crazy statements about what he can and can't do. He's a lot more than another "cool arm". He's a good QB. So is Stafford, I just think the price was too high on him. Oh, and you want a winner? Like someone who can take his team downfield at the end of the fourth and score? Like Carr did against the Chiefs? Or like he did FIVE TIMES last year? Stop blaming Carr for the ineptitude of his franchise and watch him play. It's like the people who were blaming Tannehill for the Dolphins failures. He goes to the Titans and "suddenly" he looks like a franchise QB? No. He always was that. He's gotten better every single year. JUST LIKE CARR. Tannehill went from a Dolphins castoff to a Titans hero with 33 TD / 7 INT / 6 game winning drives.

"Another QB with a cool arm" . . . in the Rhule era? Who? There are only two Rhule era QB's - TB5 and PJ Walker. Neither of them has anything resembling a good arm. "I don't get it" . . . well, that's because you haven't watched him. Go watch him. I linked the Raiders / Chiefs game earlier in the thread. He's about the furthest thing from TB5 you could possibly find. He mobile, makes good decisions, pushes the ball when he can and keeps his eyes downfield until the last possible moment. Watch him play, don't form an opinion based on what others tell you.

If you can get Carr with an exchange of first rounders plus a third, maybe you're still in position to draft Pitts? I dunno, 17th is pretty far down, it's not a question of the talent, Pitts is great, it's a question of position value for a TE. Still, if you could get Carr and Pitts added to our existing offense you'd have something scary there. The only question I have about Pitts is "Can he actually block?"

I agree, but our Kelce / Waller is our RB. At least in this iteration of our offense.

First of all . . . consider the source. Second of all . . . if you were the Panthers and you WERE interested, is it really in your best interests to announce it to the world?

I dunno man, check out the Chiefs game below. Carr took his team down to take the lead with less than two minutes to go and the Raiders couldn't hang on. He was definitely looking downfield first the whole game. I know, it's just one game, but it's pretty representative.

He's not elite at present, but his stats man . . . can you imagine what they'd look like if he was throwing to Moore, Anderson and CMC? He's got the arm. He takes good care of the ball, but isn't scared to push it downfield. Mobile. And that clutch factor. He had nine opportunities to win a game for his team. He did it five times. All I'm saying is that if our QB had that record this past season, we would have been 10-6.