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Fitterer on trading out of the #6 pick
Peon Awesome replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
At the same time, after drafting Joe Thomas, they spent 3 1st round picks on Qbs over the next 7 years. Those picks: Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel. So really we'll probably turn ourselves into the old Browns either way.- 107 replies
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Next year’s QB crop is better. Let’s wait until then.
Peon Awesome replied to ncfan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Fair points. The way I see it, we have two huge needs: LT and QB. This draft class is notable for having memorably elite LT prospects while the QB class is amongst the weakest of the past several years. It's one thing if you have a top 5 grade on a LT vs a mid-1st on a QB. But most mocks have either Neal or Ekwonu there at 6, whom many thought either could go #1 before the Jags resigned Robinson, whereas arguably no one in the QB class would have a solid 1st round grade in a normal year. Just seems like it makes sense to go with the safe pick and figure out qb another way. I also don't really trust the staff to figure who is the diamond in the rough in this qb class after their assessment of Darnold. Hopefully we get a top pick in 2023 but if not, plenty of teams have shown this year in particular there are other ways to find a qb (Indy, Seattle, Cleveland, etc) -
Cost of trading for an additional 1st rounder
Peon Awesome replied to Martin's topic in Carolina Panthers
If we're being honest with ourselves, which scenario seems more likely? A) Corral demonstrates he's a franchise qb, plays early and at minimum puts us into playoff contention, after which we gladly give up a 2023 pick in the teens or B) We fail to improve in year 1 with Corral and Rhule still at the helm, end up shipping a top 2 pick to Philly next year, letting slip Bryce Young/CJ Stroud/whoever emerges as the cream of the crop from our grasp and are stuck no better than we were at qb. I mean, scenario B seems at least twice as likely, or is it just me? -
Let's throw away the pitchforks guys. ESPN had an article on it too. Sounds like he was going 12 over the speed limit around noon and was pulled over. Then on unclear grounds (probably being black in SC), they searched him and found a gun and some marijuana. How that translates to unlawful carrying of a handgun and intent to distribute is really unclear but certainly reeks of trumped up charges. Yeah he's not blameless. But it also doesn't sound as egregious as some of you are making it.
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Mocks are increasingly having the Jags take Hutchinson and Detroit take Willis at 2, which seems to consistently leave Cross and usually Neal too available at 6. The scary thought is the Panthers falling into that scenario but opting for Pickett. *shudders*
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It's a bit rich to say Watson is the victim based on this affidavit created by the defense team. You have to realize a couple things. A) In this kind of he said, she said case, particularly when the "he" is a super rich and powerful guy with tons more resources, the women rarely get justice. They know that. If you are that woman and everyone is saying that and it gets floated "Well look we know you won't win in court but we can make him hurt with his checkbook and at least then you can get a little payback. Better than nothing, right?" Would you be a money grubbing hussy for even listening to that line of thought? That's effectively what a couple of those are suggesting. B) This lists a small number of the 22 people in the case. Is there a chance 2 or 3 of them heard about the case, gladly did whatever Watson wanted for extra money and thought, "Hell yeah, I'll jump in for an extra payday." It's equally stupid to think there wouldn't be at least one person trying to take advantage of the situation as thinking that a couple people doing it for money means inevitably all 22 were. At the end of the day, it's pretty much accepted that Watson seeks out women he's paying for legal services with the hopes of getting sex out of them. That's wrong no matter how you spin it and his position of power over them makes it incredibly unethical. The only question is whether he did anything bad enough to be criminal and that's where the he said, she said comes in. But even in the best case scenario, treating him like some poor pariah who deserves our profuse apologies is kind of pathetic if you ask me.
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Jeremiah: Panthers "dead set" on drafting an offensive lineman
Peon Awesome replied to Mr. Scot's topic in Carolina Panthers
Sounds like Linderbaum is akin to Quenton Nelson, a surefire, best prospect in years at a less valuable OL position. Interestingly, Nelson was also drafted at pick 6. No one really questions that selection now. Granted, Nelson had to become a perennial 1st team all pro to really make it worth it and he has. That's a high bar. I'd be ok with Linderbaum; he'd be ultra safe and undoubtedly make our team and offensive line better. But if an OT worthy of a top 10 pick is there, I think you have to take him. The positional value and scarcity of LTs is just too much. The salary allotted to the 6th pick is comparable to a top 10 C but amounts to maybe half of what it costs to sign a top 10 LT; plus free agent centers worthy of signing come around far more often than LTs. In a perfect world, if you're taking Linderbaum, you trade down a few spots, draft him and get a sorely needed 3rd. But a lot would have to align perfectly for that: a willing trade partner presenting a good offer and the gamble that he's still available at that slot. And would also have to hope Christensen is equipped to handle LT in that scenario. -
Yeah I was about to make the same point on the kickoff. You can't kick a touch back with 13 seconds. Forcing a return would run at least 3 or 4 seconds off the clock and then KC only has time for 1 play before a fg or hail mary. Unfortunate. I'm sure McDermott is going to lose a lot of sleep second guessing himself on the end of that game.
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Is there any doubt that whoever wins the coin toss will win the game?
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Butker's missed fg and xp looming large with a 3 point deficit.
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Well a minute and 3 timeouts for Buffalo. Kind of feel like that wasn't the worst thing that could have happened. Seems like a field goal to send it to overtime was best case scenario for Buffalo. They're not stopping Kansas City for 4 downs.
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After a boring wildcard weekend, this is an awesome divisional round
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If you don't like the 2-7 game, just don't watch it. All it does is force the 2 seed to play rather than get a free pass to the divisional round. You still have the same 3-6 and 4-5 match up you have had for years. The real benefit to having a 7th seed isn't getting an extra game in the playoffs. It's that way more teams have something to play for the last few weeks of the regular season. The top teams are having to go all out week 18 instead of resting their starters to get that #1 seed/bye week and middle of the pack teams desperately clinging to their playoff lives scrambling for that last wildcard spot rather being able to tank out starting week 15 because they're already eliminated.
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No way San Fran takes Darnold straight up for Garroppolo. JG's contract is not guaranteed. If they wanted the cap space, they're not trading for Darnold's guaranteed $19 million. They're better off straight up cutting him, but they won't have to do that. They could easily net a 3rd for him but even a conditional 7th is better than trading for Darnold.
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Steelers are giving off major Panthers offense vibes.
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Deebo was just named 1st team all pro at receiver. CMC has missed 23 games over the last 2 seasons. It's not that outrageous of a sentiment. Honestly I think we're best served to use him like the Niners use Deebo. Might help him stay on the field and still be a dangerous weapon.
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Aaron Rodgers is 0-3 against the 49ers in the playoffs. Do you not remember them getting completely smoked the last time they played, with the Niners getting what seemed like 500 rushing yards en route to their super bowl appearance? Was also involved in the legendary Kaepernick game where he had 200+ yards each passing and rushing.
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And in 2 plays, Dallas ends up with better field position than if San Fran had gone for the 4th down and got stuffed.
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4th and 1 from midfield, up 6, with one of the best rushing offenses in the NFL and you punt? That's a major NFL bad karma move.
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After today, everyone should understand you need a QB
Peon Awesome replied to AU-panther's topic in Carolina Panthers
Us picking a qb at 6 reeks of the Giants drafting Daniel Jones in 2019, right down to the pick number. There were no obvious franchise qbs at that point, but the Giants were desperate after not drafting one at pick 2 the year before. Keep in mind the next 3 qbs drafted were Jones, Haskins and Drew Lock. The qbs this year are getting similar evaluations as that crop. Everyone knows how important a qb is. But unless you want to be the Jets picking a new qb every 3 years with a top 5 pick, you don't reach for one out of desperation. We are looking at an opportunity to pick an elite offensive line prospect at 6, which beautifully overlaps massive need with BPA. Don't overthink it. Let 2022 be a down year, set yourself up for the franchise qb in 2023 (or use that high draft pick to trade for Russell Wilson perhaps if you don't love the 2023 QBs). -
Enjoyed listening to Fitterer. Definitely inspires more confidence than listening to Rhule. Few takeaways I got. 1. Fitterer clearly doesn't see eye to eye with Rhule on the roster. You can tell he's almost trying to stifle some exasperation on how long it took for Christenson to see time at LT. Like if it was up to Fitterer, he would've been playing there weeks ago and the idea that a LT has to have some minimum arm length is primitive thinking. 2. He is trying to be political with his answers on Darnold which make sense. Darnold is still under contract. For better or worse, it doesn't help the team to diminish the value of someone you have under contract. He even doesn't really try to pretend he wouldn't undo the decision to guarantee Darnold's 5th year if he could. 3. I got the sense he was hinting that he's not going to break the bank on Reddick. He mentions right after someone asks about Reddick that his focus is controlling the line of scrimmage, almost like preferring a bigger guy on the line who is more stout against the run. I might be reading too much into it and Reddick clearly has tons of value as a pass rusher, but just a vibe I got.
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I don't get the obsession with cap space. We're not contending and we're not 2 or 3 free agents away from contending. We should be focusing on accumulating draft picks and setting up for the future. In that context, we have more cap space than we need. Restructuring a bunch of contracts and cutting players, especially starters, to create more cap dollars doesn't make a ton of sense. We'll just end up with more holes, feel the impulse to fill those holes by signing past their prime vets whose teams didn't think they were worth keeping, and end up no better off than we are now, but with more dead cap tagged onto the future.
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What a gut punch for the Chargers. Is there anyone outside of Pittsburgh who would rather see the Steelers in the playoffs over the Chargers? I'd be interested to hear the pressor from Staley on the timeout. I have to hope maybe he just wanted to give his defense a breather and give them the best chance to force a 4th down after getting gashed all game. The fact that he waited till there was less than 40 seconds to call it makes me think he wasn't necessarily playing for the win with that but who knows. Get the stop there and it's a moot point.
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The only right ending here is a tie. Could make it interesting and each get a fg on their opening drive. And then for good measure, if a team gets it with less than 2 minutes left, they just start kneeling while the other team concedes and foregoes their timeouts to let the clock run out
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We have a chance maybe to trade Darnold!
Peon Awesome replied to BurnNChinn's topic in Carolina Panthers
I mean with only Taysom under contract, the Saints would be smart to offer a 6th, force us to eat 2/3rd of the contract, and probably have Payton get 10x more out of him than anyone else could. I think an agreement similar to what we did for Teddy is probably realistic. I don't like the idea of giving anything of value to dump Darnold just to free up capspace. But getting a nominal pick and freeing a bit of cap space, sure. It would mean we would have zero qbs under contract though and probably make us desperate to draft a qb despite a terrible draft to go all in for one. Realistically, our best long term option is probably trading back in the 1st for future 1sts, living with Darnold for 1 more year (with a cheap signing to compete with him, a la Mariotta), focusing on building an offensive line this offseason, and then drafting a qb in 2023 with our inevitable top 3 pick (Bryce Young anyone?)