45catfan

Let me try this again.

5 pages and counting...

Not odd, just biased.

How is this different than many other occupations? Most office buildings have their share of overweight, middle-aged people. Now we are setting different standards based on occupation?

Who is doing the homeschooling? One parent would have to stay home. How about single parent homes, who stays home to do the schooling? I agree homeschooling is better than public schools in most scenarios, but that should be a decision the family makes outside of a pandemic.

Was that a slight or optimism? Honestly it can be interpreted both ways.

MSNBC journo's shocked about doctors opinions concerning sending kids back to school. Pressed by the reporter and all these Pediatricians didn't hesitate, not once. The news anchor at the end looked dejected: "they all said, yes"

34 posts and counting.

*Professional writer /story. See the funny thing about statistics is you have to have a hypothesis and verify it for any findings to be further extrapolated to have any meaning. His argument is flawed from the rip. Nobody honestly thinks nearly 3.3 million US citizens is dying from this so his continued cranking out of numbers is pointless.

The goalpost moving was directed to the crowd arguing to keep kids home in the fall in the broader context of the COVID-19 dialogue. Notice I didn't say 'you' are moving the goalposts. However it does seem like you are advocating to keep kids home until (if) a vaccine is developed. It has been demonstrated grade school kids fall behind in on-line learning. So by keeping parents home foregoing jobs, or putting them in daycare (how is that more sanitary than school?) in hopes a vaccine is right around the corner seems a bit over the top. The secondary damage done to the body due to COVID-19 is in the exact same demographic that is the most vulnerable, the elderly. I have yet to see where kids are showing signs of permanent damage linked to this disease. Teachers know how to protect themselves, so let's not fain we are protecting teachers here. Positive COVID-19 kids have to stay home until cleared and the schools can't hold it against their attendance (just like jobs can't hold it against employee attendance). What's so hard about that? Kids shed the virus faster than adults, usually 7-10 days. MMR and polio took forever to develop a vaccine. Yes, they are available now, but it's not like they were developed in mere months upon research like we are trying to do with this disease. If we are waiting on a vaccine, the entire 2020-2021 school year (at best) will be lost....on-line, but essentially lost.

Youth hospitalizations are 1% of confirmed cases of >18-years and 4 related deaths according to the stats in that article. So are we keeping kids at home until a vaccine is developed? The goalposts keep moving...first it was deaths, then ICU capacity, then overall hospitalizations and now is squarely on case numbers. Really? I guess people can finally win the case argument because the disease has to basically just go away for that to be a positive indicator.

I agree, but probably for completely different reasons.

The cost of raising kids continues to climb is the main reason. Third world countries still continue to pop out kids like Pez candy because they have limited access to birth control and don't have the means to send their kids to college.

Which is seasonal and not even 100% effective depending on the strain.

This place is so freaking transparent. On one hand, "look at the science!" and then when science is inconvenient, "but the science isn't clear on that!"

60+? Really? I think I may have had maybe two teachers (in grade school) even pushing that demographic. Most were in their 30's and 40's. I had more teachers in their 20's than in their 50's.

Just wow.

Ok.

True, but do we close down schools for the flu? Does the flu not spread from kids to adults? Asymptomatic folks are less likely to be a vector than symptomatic persons. Again, college is a whole different ball of wax, but K-12 should be straight forward.

Should schools be closed this fall to in-person learning? If everyone masks up on on school grounds, what's the problem? Colleges could pose some issues due to on campus living, but what's the issue for K-12?

"For children (0-17 years), cumulative COVID-19 hospitalization rates are much lower than cumulative influenza hospitalization rates at comparable time points* during recent influenza seasons."-CDC

Imagine if higher learning was actually about the student and not sports or lining the PhDs "teaching" students with 6-figure salaries. Just think colleges/universities actually existed stayed financially sound before sports proliferated on campuses 50-years or so ago. Crazy, I know!

Yep, Tuesdays usually are the largest numbers of the week due to processing weekend data. Still looking at ratios for the number of cases compared to deaths and hospitalizations. Obviously it will be somewhat higher, but again, how much so in relation to the increased spike in case numbers?

Americans in general are lazy and want their information spoon fed to them instead of taking some time out of their day to go find information. It doesn't even have to be every day or for some considerable amount of time. However, when it comes to important issues, people regurgitate headlines and sound bites from TV news (usually on in the background) not knowing or bothering to find out if the information they are processing is factual or not. I read articles and sometimes even watch stuff on TV I normally don't agree with so I can cross-reference it for context. I feel really sorry for folks that use social media for their main source of 'enlightenment' about the world. If it's on TV, in a newspaper or even on the internet, it's got to be true, right? I knew we were in trouble years ago when I had room mates that were getting their daily news form the 'Daily Show' on Comedy central. Yes, they thought it was real news just delivered through lens of humor. Sadly, these were graduate students.