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Lol. "we need speed." Only targets receivers with 40 times over 5.1 secs.

I was saying 5 mil as the highest possible salary... I doubt he gets that, I think 3 mil per sounds fair. But the point remains... It's not about any one thing here, PB. It's all of the factors combined. Boykin is slow, we need speed. Boykin is a guy that will be available late in the FA game, and we have him set up for a visit on the first day. Gettleman said we would address WR through FA so that were not drafting based on need, now Voth is reporting that we're basically done with WR in FA. That is why this is so frustrating. Same poo, different year.

Can you clarify the first paragraph? Are you saying it validates them in some way? To be clear, I was saying the receivers were the worst in the league, therefore, Cam had nothing to throw to. And it's fine to be frugal, but there's a difference between being frugal and just being dumb. Like I pointed out earlier, Eddie Royal isn't going to cost more than 5 per, I'm guessing... Gentleman is the one that said you address areas of need in FA and then you fill the holes with the draft. He also said we need speed and would address that. And here we are, one day in, and Voth, who has been as accurate as any reporter out there, is saying we're essentially done with receiver. That's why people are pissed. WR has been neglected since we drafted Steve Smith... I don't count colbert or Jarrett because they were second round pick with a lot of question marks... The point being, we should've either signed a bookend or used our first round pick on a tremendously talented guy instead, but we never did, and I doubt we change that this year.

KB is a glorified Plaxico with less consistent hands right now. We need speed, preferably with size and hands. Ginn only has one of those traits. He is not the answer. We need a #2 and likely an established #3. That's where interviewing Boykin is incendiary. It's insulting. People are tired of being jerked around and having our time wasted. Barely making the playoffs each year isn't good enough. We want a superbowl. The defense is in really good shape,so we should be addressing weaknesses while maintaining that, and we're not. It's really simple... If Boykin and other receivers of his similar lack of ability are the only guys signed, let's revisit this thread in October or November and see what is over reactive. We went through the same thing last year. I promise you, it may be slightly exaggerated but not by much... If I wasn't on my phone I would pull up the cotchery thread from last year and show you. The vast majority that were being level-headed and excited at that big pickup last off season were collectively losing their poo and questioning if cam should be benched in favor of DA because he was eating grass as soon as the ball was snapped. The same people each year are saying, "calm down, their professionals. They get paid for a reason. Go play Madden,crybabies,"and only less than a handful are still riding that wave when guys like cotch are stopping on routes and tipping ints up into defenders arms while making our franchise QB look like poo.

True, but that brings the argument back to who we're signing and drafting. Why not address those positions in a concentrated effort like never before, and that way, you don't leave him picking between the lesser of dog poo versus horse poo? Instead, here we are again, with a horrible receiving corps, we sign Ted Ginn and our work is done... That's why the Colts and Niners keep getting brought up. They find bargains, they draft guys, but the bottom line is, they throughly address the positions around their QB. We haven't and that's what is so frustrating. Yes, Ron has never played the best 11 until he's forced to, but look at what he's working with in the first place.

Yup, all four of them.

Yeah I just can't understand it... You have a guy like Moore, britt, or royal who have shown ability to produce in the NFL, but we'd rather wait around and bank on a rookie/unproven commodity? Why not sign one AND draft one? It's just stupid... Maybe he's just putting that out there in hopes of it driving the market down a little? But, I doubt it...

There were literally only maybe 10 people on this board who stuck up for Cam when he was getting his head smashed in behind a AFL offensive line. trying to throw the ball to a CFL receiver unit. The people ripping him apart were the same ones laughing at everyone "overreacting" at cotchery being the answer to upgrading our reciever corps.

Really, it's simple... When the only bidder is you, you aren't going to get any better. What our FO has always shied away from, and in turn, has held us back, is the fact that in order to get better you're going to have to outbid other team's for a talented player's services. That doesn't mean you have to go out and spend Mike Wallace money on a non-worthy player... But you can't immediately jump in the shallow end of the pool and call it a day. Look at it like this... If this thread was titled, "Rapoport confirms Eddie Royal in for visit," the majority considered to be "bitching" right now would be ecstatic. Eddie Royal is not T. Smith, Maclin, or even Andre job, but he's talented and if we didn't sign him, someone else will and early. Furthermore, he fills the need... Gettleman himself said we desperately need speed and would address it, he then goes out and finds possibly the slowest receiver on the market and sets up a visit on the first day.

They don't hear you though. I'm starting to wonder if it's just some built-in masochistic part of our fanbase... That or they just like having a reason to scapegoat Cam every year.

This is what pisses me off about gettleman. Love his drafts, but his FA decisions have left much to be desired. And if you're gonna talk about it, be about it. Don't say we're taking a step up in class and turn right around and target the fuging Equate-tier FA, looking to pay them lunch money. If you aren't gonna make a substantial move then just stfu. Now, it went from we had interest in Torrey Smith and would be a player in the receiver market to now we won't even consider second tier FA RECEIVERS LOL!!! Sound strategy. This just in: we only signed Ginn, not jerry fuging rice. And now we're out of the receiver market altogether? Wait, I mean, we are considering the second coming of Karl Hankton,so yup... Cam should be good. He sure as hell better hit on a receiver In the draft then. This is fuging ridiculous.

Exactly, and that's exactly why although my chosen method of discussing these things may seem extreme, I feel it's necessary. We go through the same crap every year. You cannot keep dumpster diving on positions of extreme need and expect a different result. I complained about it last year and laughed when we signed the guys we did. I predicted our offense would be bogged down because receivers couldn't get open and our offense would suffer from just a general lack of speed, while others argued that based on numbers alone, avant and cotch would easily replace Smith and Lafell. We do it every year, I'm just hoping this off-season will be different so we won't be having this same conversation next off season.

Damn, sounds like every receiver on our roster outside of Philly last season.

Well, it's obvious the Niners are going to take a step back this year, but I'm referring to the last three years... The difference in success is obvious, PB. And the reason is too. Yes, those teams have their flaws, but the truth is, they have had better and sustained success compared to us. They have went further in the playoffs than us and the Niners reached the supercool and multiple nfccgs. It's because we keep dumpster diving and they wisely pick their spots and add talent where it's needed, with the priority being around their QB. My gripe with this, is the the quality of the player and the timing of it. Could be he is strictly viewed as a ST ace, but again, those guys are usually available well after the draft. It's just a headscratcher.

And Boykin is our first and only confirmed interest so far...

PB... WE NEED SPEED. WE NEED A GUY THAT COULD COME IN AND HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO JUST THAT - 1,000 YARDS AND 10 TDS. WE ALREADY HAVE A WR CORPS FULL OF BOYKINS. HE IS REDUNDANT. PEOPLE ARE REACTING SO STRONGLY FOR THAT REASON, AND THAT HE MOST LIKELY IS NOT ON ANYONE ELSE'S RADAR RIGHT NOW, AND YET, WE'RE BRINGING HIM IN ON THE FIRST DAY OF FA. LOL. THAT IS LAUGHABLE. NO ONE WAS EXPECTING US TO PULL OFF A TRADE FOR CALVIN JOHNSON, BUT WHEN THERE ARE GUYS LIKE MOORE, BRITT, STEVIE, ETC. OUT THERE, WE SHOULD BE HEARING REPORTS OF INTEREST IN THEM, NOT THIS GUY. HE WILL BE THERE IN MAY.

Well you keep that mindstate and see how much it helps... People keep clowning the Niners and Colts for surrounding their qbs with talent, saying, "well look how well it worked for them." Yeah, let's do. How many championship games have we played in the last three years? How many have they? Exactly. The reason our ass got booted out of the playoffs the last two seasons was because they signed and drafted offensive talent, while we signed and drafted "young hungry guys who are eager to start," who usually lacked talent. The reason we lost to San Francisco and Seattle was because we had no offense. There was no one to spread the field. We have no speed or separation. They did. Young, hungry guys that come dirt cheap may pan out for you 1 out of 100 times, but 99 times their dropping passes and muffing punts.

"Boykin had almost 700 yards two years ago, he's one step away from being all-univerzze!" ... "oh yaaah, I would love to sign cotchery! Dude had 10 tds last year herp derp! " Notice the complete absence of the role, system played in, and immensely better talent around those players with their prior team being mentioned.

Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy's offense would make Bersin look like fuging Steve Largent, so no it doesn't. Wear your rose colored glasses if you want, the guy sucks. Hey keary colbert was a beast too, wasn't he?

Colts and Niners, we see your Andre Johnson and Torrey Smith, and we raise you a Boykin! Take that!

Norwell was an udfa and was brought in after the draft. This guy will be available after the draft too lol (unless we sign him first).

Then why are we courting him on the first day of FA? He'll be available later.

The only difference between he and Cotchery is age. He's slow as poo and not all that talented... He also played in a WR-friendly system in GB. And Cotch is already on a long-term deal paying him peanuts. The point of FA and the draft was to UPGRADE our WR corps, not reinforce it with lateral moves.

Boykin, Bersin, and Presley should not even crack an active roster and are borderline NFL players. And you left out Philly Brown, who really shouldn't even be anymore than a situational slot or 4th WR. That is not acceptable. I really wish we would quit disrespecting our QB with this kind of crap.

Again, I know it's early, but if you're gonna come out with all that "nice to be out of the dollar store," talk, and then bust the gates of free agency down on the first day by inviting the Packers' 8th WR that most Packers fans have never even heard of in for a visit, then just don't talk. This is a joke. It's the same poo we did last off season. That's how we ended up with guys like Avant and Cotchery. We do not need another slow ass possession receiver. The dude ran a 4,7 lol... We could just resign hardy and use him...