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Mark Schlereth called an awful game on Sunday. Excuse after excuse for a QB that couldn't execute the basics. We're by no means a good football team, but we're not that bad that we should be getting blown out in New England. It's probably a team that can win 5-7 games, depending on the bounce of the ball with a competent NFL QB. Change that to a good NFL QB and you're looking at 7-9 games. There's no stripping back from here - you're too committed financially. Nobody is giving you anything for your two expensive OGs or you expensive RT. The value on Horn and Brown isn't that high either now they're on monster second contracts. You have to continue to build with what you have - there's the foundation of a good team here, but it's going to take several more Drafts to get there.

I kinda did this a few weeks ago - step one is to accept Bryce Young isn't the guy and to trade for one of the better backups in the NFL. That lets you actually assess what you have in Canales, the OLine, the WR corps etc. Right now you've got people running down Renfrow because he's a precision / timing receiver and is completely lost with Young throwing him the football. Or arguing our finesse Flex-TE, Sanders, isn't the guy because he's not winning contested catches.

Then you perpetuate the cycle. Imagine finally ridding yourselves of Bryce Young to Draft Bo Nix at #6 (or whatever we end up picking it). You're just slitting your own wrists as a franchise at that point.

Nah, that GM / HC combo is the difference in Buffalo. Allen puts them over the top for sure, but he's not the first guy in, last guy out.

We don't need a unicorn. Whilst you'd love to run in to a Brees, a Brady, a Peyton Manning - you don't need that. Eli Manning was perfectly fine. Allen is perfectly fine (he's absolutely not a culture changer, he's just a weirdly phenomenal player). We simply need a QB that gives us a shot each and every week - one that makes the D have to defend the whole field and hits that walk in TD to Renfrow / T-Mac that Young has repeatedly missed this season with his inability to throw the ball deep.

You can't just settle for a JAG. Pick up a JAG in FA if that's what you plan to do. That first round pick is so valuable - as we've seen by giving up 3 of them for Bryce Young - if you don't think the QB there at your pick is the guy (he doesn't have to be 'the franchise', he just has to give you a chance to win each and every week) then pick the best player at a position of need. There's no shame in running a Geno Smith out there rather than Drafting a Bo Nix.

The Panthers announce that they're taking up the fifth year option on Bryce Young to much fanfare. "Mr Morgan, it's T-Mac's agent on line one".

He should be cut today. The idea of giving him two more years is bonkers. He's never shown anything.

A conditional third round pick?! fugouttahere.

Yep, same. I always referenced Aaron Rodgers who played Newton in his rookie year. He said "I'm glad I got to play him now and not later". He saw the unreal potential too - and sadly Newton never got better.

So if they're not High School wide open you don't consider them open? Got it.

Which were the shitty deep drops, out of interest? The two that Sanders dropped were poorly thrown balls. I think T-Mac has dropped one inexplicably. I'm sure Legette will have at some point.

If you submitted that film for a QB he'd receive an UDFA grade. The vast majority of those throws are poor.

Look at Cal. Their True Freshman has them 3-1. Mendoza had them 6-7 last year.

Ah the QB of the undefeated Gamecocks... oh.

There aren't any elite QB prospects. If we pick one in the first round this year we're just perpetuating the cycle.

Tepper made this bed, that much is very, very clear. No GM in his right mind goes into the season with Young and Dalton as their only options at QB.

You could leave Legette completely wide open 35 yards downfield and not worry about it - Young doesn't have the juice to get the ball there.

The only modern day system I think he could function in is the one out in San Francisco - that's essentially Play Action off an incredibly strong running game, getting the ball to playmakers in space on short, easy passes. Even then if you were the OC / HC / GM you'd still be thinking "man this kid is holding us back".

Trying to be competitive seems a pretty decent point. You'd have to trade for someone though, Dalton is absolutely washed.

The blind spot some people have for this guy is insane. Mark Schlereth was making excuses for him all game "You don't know if you have your franchise QB with the WRs they're playing him with. They're hoping to get Coker back, but when you're waiting on an UDFA 2nd year player to get back you have problems". Ignoring the rest of our games, because judging by his knowledge of our players Mark hasn't watched them, every QB in the league would kill for T-Mac (he'd have had another 100+ yard game and a TD with a competent QB): He made a circus catch on that shitty sideline throw He had Gonzalez beat deep on the play where Bryce had a tantrum and smashed his helmet into the ground He prevented a pick 6 when Young threw high and behind him over the middle (wide open by the way) He was wide open for a hole shot that Young completely air mailed Throughout NFL history if you've got a good OLine (it was very good before the injuries), a strong running game, functional WRs/TEs and a star WR you're expected to put up points and be competitive. Apparently the guy we traded three first round picks for still needs MORE for us to be able to accurately judge him. It's infuriating - I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.

That's because everything is an arm throw - his mechanics are awful. He never sets his feet. I gave Newton grief for his poor mechanics, but at least he had natural talent.

That absolutely is not the worst set of WR we've ever run out there. Far from it. T-Mac is really, really good (already). Renfrow is really good if you throw an accurate ball.

I think you need someone that can make every throw in the NFL playbook. Bryce Young cannot do that. Failing that you need a guy that can make MOST throws in the NFL playbook, but can also run - like Jalen Hurts.

The dude must have an iron clad contract because he simply isn't trying to win football games if he runs Bryce Young out there.