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"He's not the problem - he's a game manager, it's the people around him". We traded three first round picks for the guy. Even if he was a game manager (he's not - just look at those drives Dalton led on Sunday and compare them to everything outside of that first scripted drive by Young - it's night and day, and Dalton is waaaaashed), the fact we gave up so much for him absolutely makes him the problem. Teams would hesitate to trade three first round picks for Mahomes or Allen ffs.

Bingo. Hit up the Vikings for Howell. Hit up the Chargers for Lance. Hit up the 49ers for Jones. A competent NFL QB can be found if we try. Just staunch the bleeding.

I'm not ready to kick Legette to the curb just yet. If anything I'm super impressed with Coker and T-Mac for producing with this QB. Look at the TD Evans caught on Sunday - Young doesn't make that play. Insert a competent NFL QB into this system and I think we're all signing a different tune.

I'd rather stumble along in mediocrity than turn the game off one drive into the third quarter.

I don't think the roster is quite as bad as you make out - but yeah there's zero depth. BPA and move on to the second round, and realistically you could take that guy at literally any position.

Depends what you're asking that QB to do. Can he provide you with consistent, competent QB play? We saw how different it looked with the corpse of Dalton back there. Replace that with a 27 year old who can still take an NFL hit and suddenly you're not a national embarrassment. You're always looking for the QB that takes you over the top, but it's not a sound strategy to keep on throwing first round picks at QBs that you simply know aren't that guy. If we'd built it how we have now and then dropped in Mayfield or Darnold (which I thought was the right way to approach our QB search by the way) we'd be singing a different tune right now.

Mark Schlereth called an awful game on Sunday. Excuse after excuse for a QB that couldn't execute the basics. We're by no means a good football team, but we're not that bad that we should be getting blown out in New England. It's probably a team that can win 5-7 games, depending on the bounce of the ball with a competent NFL QB. Change that to a good NFL QB and you're looking at 7-9 games. There's no stripping back from here - you're too committed financially. Nobody is giving you anything for your two expensive OGs or you expensive RT. The value on Horn and Brown isn't that high either now they're on monster second contracts. You have to continue to build with what you have - there's the foundation of a good team here, but it's going to take several more Drafts to get there.

I kinda did this a few weeks ago - step one is to accept Bryce Young isn't the guy and to trade for one of the better backups in the NFL. That lets you actually assess what you have in Canales, the OLine, the WR corps etc. Right now you've got people running down Renfrow because he's a precision / timing receiver and is completely lost with Young throwing him the football. Or arguing our finesse Flex-TE, Sanders, isn't the guy because he's not winning contested catches.

Then you perpetuate the cycle. Imagine finally ridding yourselves of Bryce Young to Draft Bo Nix at #6 (or whatever we end up picking it). You're just slitting your own wrists as a franchise at that point.

Nah, that GM / HC combo is the difference in Buffalo. Allen puts them over the top for sure, but he's not the first guy in, last guy out.

We don't need a unicorn. Whilst you'd love to run in to a Brees, a Brady, a Peyton Manning - you don't need that. Eli Manning was perfectly fine. Allen is perfectly fine (he's absolutely not a culture changer, he's just a weirdly phenomenal player). We simply need a QB that gives us a shot each and every week - one that makes the D have to defend the whole field and hits that walk in TD to Renfrow / T-Mac that Young has repeatedly missed this season with his inability to throw the ball deep.

You can't just settle for a JAG. Pick up a JAG in FA if that's what you plan to do. That first round pick is so valuable - as we've seen by giving up 3 of them for Bryce Young - if you don't think the QB there at your pick is the guy (he doesn't have to be 'the franchise', he just has to give you a chance to win each and every week) then pick the best player at a position of need. There's no shame in running a Geno Smith out there rather than Drafting a Bo Nix.

The Panthers announce that they're taking up the fifth year option on Bryce Young to much fanfare. "Mr Morgan, it's T-Mac's agent on line one".

He should be cut today. The idea of giving him two more years is bonkers. He's never shown anything.

A conditional third round pick?! fugouttahere.

Yep, same. I always referenced Aaron Rodgers who played Newton in his rookie year. He said "I'm glad I got to play him now and not later". He saw the unreal potential too - and sadly Newton never got better.

So if they're not High School wide open you don't consider them open? Got it.

Which were the shitty deep drops, out of interest? The two that Sanders dropped were poorly thrown balls. I think T-Mac has dropped one inexplicably. I'm sure Legette will have at some point.

If you submitted that film for a QB he'd receive an UDFA grade. The vast majority of those throws are poor.

Look at Cal. Their True Freshman has them 3-1. Mendoza had them 6-7 last year.

Ah the QB of the undefeated Gamecocks... oh.

There aren't any elite QB prospects. If we pick one in the first round this year we're just perpetuating the cycle.

Tepper made this bed, that much is very, very clear. No GM in his right mind goes into the season with Young and Dalton as their only options at QB.

You could leave Legette completely wide open 35 yards downfield and not worry about it - Young doesn't have the juice to get the ball there.

The only modern day system I think he could function in is the one out in San Francisco - that's essentially Play Action off an incredibly strong running game, getting the ball to playmakers in space on short, easy passes. Even then if you were the OC / HC / GM you'd still be thinking "man this kid is holding us back".