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My biggest problem with receivers is we always want guys that are big possession guys who focus on what they do after they get the ball in their hands. We never value quickness or route running at all. For me I prefer quick shifty receivers and what they do before they get the ball in their hands. Everyone keeps talking about all this diversity in the wr room and for once I actually agree with Steve Smith. We've got a lot of possession guys that dont really scare the secondary over the top. If you take away our injured 6th round pick, Thielen probably beats any other receiver we have in a shuttle or cone drill and that is absolutely ridiculous at this stage of his career, and its not because hes quick lol. He keeps drafting all these big guys and touting catch radius and contested catches when in modern NFL defenses that doesn't really work anyways. Youre not throwing 50 yard jump balls much anymore. Constant nickel and 2 deep safeties have ended that. You attack underneath and medium depth.

I hope for the best. I feel like it better for Dan's job security.

My biggest problem is I think the players he likes don't really work in the modern NFL. You mentioned the wr room being a lot better, is it? It has the potential to be. Last year when we traded up to get Legette, they said they traded up to take him specifically because he was a true X receiver. Now this year they take TMac because they say he is and that XL was out of posisition last year. Im not sold on Tmac yet just like I wasn't sold on XL last year. If TMac isn't a lot better than last XL was last season then that's back to back first rounders in one position that would still need a huge amount of work. Hopefully Tmac is what everyone seems to think he will be, I'm just not so sure, but them declaring XL was a true X receiver after the draft last year and what they're saying now should at least give you pause about their receivers evaluation because it means they definitely made a mistake one way or another.

Eager is someone to keep an eye on. I think he played a huge part in this draft. Especially as far as process, trades, and just overall draft analytics, his fingerprints were all over this draft.

I think he's funny and he seems like a decent dude, but I would feel a lot better about the rest of your statement if he hadn't played 5 years in college.

Me too, position groups can already only pick in certain ranges and people just rolled out 5 numbers that shouldn't be allowed. It wouldn't take long before there aren't enough numbers.

We got more for Mingo than the Steelers got for Pickens.

I think both things can be true. I think he is capable of playing at a high level, I also think without any elite physical traits, and his height, he has a much smaller margin of error. Both things can be true. All physical traits and his brain are all tools. The more tools you have in your bag the more chances you have to get the job done, but that doesn't mean you cant with minimal tools.

Exactly this. He controls his own future and it's basically decided this coming season. As the #1 overall pick in his third season at qb, if we are picking in the top 5 or 6 next draft in a very qb heavy draft, he made his own bed.

I'm not a Bryce hater and I would 100% move on. Especially looking at how the upcoming qb draft looks on paper. Hopefully he continues to improve but if in 3 seasons you're still chasing average season numbers then he's not going to be the guy. You've just got to keep taking swings until you hit. Average qbs without any elite physical traits cant get it done anymore. So this year Hopefully he continues to develop and is above average statistically.

Yea Bryce was definitely a top half qb the second half of last season but I'm not sure Canales is 100% sold on him. Like I've said in another post I think that's part of why we talked to so many South Carolina players in the draft process. I think they are doing early due diligence on Sellers just in case.

Lol yep. Hopefully Bryce proves he is here to stay and he deserves that second contract without a doubt this season. I think there is a chance that he does. If he doesn't, right now this next qb class is definitely looking like a decent one to need a qb on but you never know how it will play out this coming college season.

Not necessarily. Look at the redskins and Broncos. There is nothing wrong with putting the best possible situation around your qb regardless of if there is a chance you bring in a new one in the future. In the right situation teams can go from awful to good in a hurry. It just takes some luck. I think in today's NFL you should always want the best offensive pieces you can get to surround your qb with no matter who the qb is.

I totally get what you're saying but some of us that don't like it don't see tmac as a #1. I get that some people declare a #1 entirely based on size like the panthers seem to do, but I think a perfect world ceiling for him is a Higgins personally. Hopefully I'm wrong and he becomes a true great #1 for us for the next decade though.

The Eagles started the trend of getting a pff guy to help with their drafts. It seemed to have worked out for them.

I agree. I didn't love this draft, I would give it a B, but I was really unhappy with last years draft so it's a step in the right direction. I feel like there was definitely more of a plan this year and I can at least see what they were trying to do with most players they picked.

Yea, i honestly think he had almost as much say as Dan. One of the main reasons I think that is Eager has said before he was ever with the Panthers, that you trade away picks for a qb and for any other position you do pick swaps, and that's exactly what we did.

I think it was better than last year's. I still wouldn't call it great. I would say pff loved it and we took high pff guys because Eric Eager's fingerprints were all over this draft. I think that's a good thing.

This is what I found. I don't even see how South Carolina fits within those rules honestly but I don't have a Rand McNally map if Charlotte handy lol "By League rule, a "local" player is determined to be a player who is from the "local metropolitan area as defined by a current Rand McNally map." That means the player must be from within the shaded area of that metropolitan map. That League policy can be vague and also can be advantageous to some clubs over others."

Yea, I'm not sure how I feel about him yet. A lot of qb prospects make huge rises or falls the year before they come out, and he doesn't even have to come out for a long time. So I'm not judging him as a prospect before the upcoming season is over. It's just something I've been wondering about since the absurd amount of top 30 visits. Not really saying my opinion on him as a prospect or drafting him either way. Just reading some tea leaves so to speak.

Yea and we only brought 1 in, the udfs linebacker. That's what makes me think there was more to the visits. Even if my theory is true I think they're still hoping Bryce continues to improve as choice #1. But by how fast Dave benched Bryce and how long it took to bench Dalton to put him back in, I don't think Dave is 100% confident in the ceiling of Bryce. Might as well do a little qb research just in case even if you're 90% sure Bryce is the answer.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying we used 11 of our top 30 visits on south carolina players and we brought in one, as a udfa. I just wonder if some of that was to research Sellers. Also I don't like South Carolina as a Pipeline either, but Sellers does have a lot of potential and could definitely climb up the qb rankings this season. He was a redshirt freshman last year and showed a lot of improvement. They clearly didn't spend 11 of the top 30 interviews on south carolina players because they were wanting to bring them in this year or they would have drafted some or brought in more than 1 udfa.

I honestly think this coming season is his make or break year. I have noticed some press conferences where Dan and Dave have made some interesting comments when asked about bryces future and upcoming contract and they've basically said they're not thinking about that or factoring it in at all. Hopefully he continues to improve, that is our best bet. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they have already start preparing if he doesn't make another jump this year. The thing that have made me wonder, while doing some detective work. The Redshirt freshman from South Carolina, Lanorris Sellers. He has crazy potential and improved greatly throughout the season last year. I saw we had 11 south carolina players in for our top 30s including 5 or 6 that were expected to go undrafted. It's a bit of a conspiracy theory but could they already be doing a lot of research on Sellers by talking to his teammates. Again, I'm not a Bryce hater and I think the best option is he continues to make a jump this season. It's just something that has stood out to me.

It was Eric the pff guy. He controlled a lot of our draft this year. He has stated before you give up picks to trade up for QB specifically, any other positions you do pick swaps.

I like Ransom fine, I'm fine with the pick, I just have no idea why we never care about a coverage safety.