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Burns hasn't had a season with double digit sacks yet. I have no idea and I would have to look into it but I would assume there are pass rushing specialist defensive ends and olb that average >9 sacks a season available as free agents almost every season.

His math is right but incomplete. Scoring anyone below probowl as a 0 for example, that would score DJ Moore as a 0 as well btw. Also you have to include a weight for salary.

Just to make sure I say it again I definitely appreciate your post and the work you've done. It's on of the better posts weve had in a long time. I'm not sure how you could quantify an actual solid starter. I wouldnt say that's ygm or tmj yet. There is definitely a big gap between a ygm caliber player and a pro bowl player.

Honestly the most surprising statistic to me in all of this is 44% of first rounders become pro bowlers. That's a lot higher than I would have expected off the top of my head.

I agree it's hard to come up with a tangible value but there is still definitely value there.

I appreciate all the work you put into this but there are some other statistics to weigh, such as they will be coming off rookie contracts soon. Also your scale weighs really good players that arent probowlers as 0. 4 solid players on rookie contracts, 3 of them first 5 years might have more value than 2 borderline probowlers on big deals. You're right statistically with your calculations but you've skewed it a little for your point.

Mahomes wasnt considered a Mahomes coming into the draft.

Saying we should have taken 2 first rounders a a second and he is a specialized player right now isnt hate at all. Its just the truth

Ok then, say we get a qb and a good coach this year and we start competing. You can trade some of those extra draft picks for players then.

Burns definitely should have been traded for 2 firsts and a second. I dont see how anyone could think differently. Hes about to have to sign a new contract off of his rookie deal and he is a specialized player. He is a speed rusher that can get picked on in the run game and misses sack sometimes because he can be a one direction rusher. Rejecting the Burns deal is one of the worst moves the franchise has made in recent years personally and it still aggravates me every time I think about it. I could see arguments made on both sides about moving Moore for a first. I also think he is a specialized player that is more of a great #2 than a true #1. A true #1 doesnt have some effort concerns and can get open by running really good routes alone, not by being schemed open mostly. I love Moore but with a strong WR class I would have probably took that deal too but that one is more debatable. Like I said he is a really good if not elite #2 with the right coaches.

That's quitting or giving up. Nothing really to do with tanking on their parts.

Stopped them! Still whiffed on a sack but they didnt get a touchdown!

Bringing back the old Panthers am I right?

Two firsts and a second and hes about to need a bigger contract. It was ridiculous to turn down for a specialized player about to come off his rookie contract soon enough.

Exactly. I've been a fan of the panthers since they were created and we have had some really good teams that I have absolutely loved, and can be nostalgic over for the rest of my life, but I dont want to be those panthers any more. Stick with keep pounding and the past alive but we dont want to be the panthers of old. We need back to back winning seasons, we need a Super Bowl. The past was good, sometimes great, but we need to move forward.

His arm definitely looked strong at the combine, his accuracy did not.

Cam wasnt the clear #1 choice coming into that draft. He threw poorly at the combine and had plenty of question Mark's. Luck and Lawrence were much more hyped prospects coming in to the draft.

Exactly, no one knew who the first pick would be or even the first qb taken till immediately before the draft started. Almost every prospect always has question Mark's. I remember Cam looked terrible at the combine in all the passing drills.

He was a third round pick for a reason. If you have a top 5 pick and Corral is the only qb on your roster you use that top 5 pick On a qb every single time basically. That said hopefully Corral becomes a good player but there are clear differences in a top 5 overall prospect and a third rounder. Could those evaluations change over time? Of course but as far as grading prospects top 5 and third rounder are and should be night and day.

He was running around in the endzone with his helmet off after being in on the touchdown play. How is that not the field of play?

Yea I'm not saying it's a good rule, just that he did break it.

Sure. Do you think he would have missed a regular xp though? Also if he had hit the xp and it had been to tie instead of win do you think he would have been in the same mental state on the ot kick? Hes a backup kicker that we signed off the streets. Hes been solid, bad day to have a bad day may cost him his pro career.

It was definitely a penalty. If he hadnt came back into the endzone after he took his helmet off and has stayed off the field of play they wouldnt have called it. He immediately came back in the field of play after taking it off.

People more mad at our backup kicker for missing a 48 yard kick instead of DJ if you have to blame someone are weird.

It was definitely a penalty. People saying he took his helmet off off the field of play are right technically he was in the back of the endzone but then he instantly came back on the field without his helmet on.