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The only reason Cam is even being discussed here is because he was mentioned as a defense mechanism. Then folks like you want to turn around and diminish him. You honestly deserve a bust QB.

If you trade up for a QB at first overall and you are not getting a player with any level of that ability or elevating the moving parts around him then you made a bad trade that's the unfortunate reality of our situation. What we are left with now is salvaging this. I think we're moving around all over the place here. How is Hurts doing this year without last years OC Steichen? Up and down at best right? The NFC is ripe for the taking for anyone. The Eagles and the 49ers are the cream of the crop and they are certainly beatable. It's funny you mention Goff. He was Stroud's ceiling comp often leading up the draft. Now look at how he's doing. I am not saying QB coach does not matter at all. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it. But a QB coach is not a magician or a witch doctor. He cannot alter the phsycial make up or limitations of the player. He can only work with what he has. Take Bryce Young's footwork for example. He has these habits that he's created the last few years that are centered around helping him compensate for his height and to see the field. That is not something any coach is going to be able to change in relatively short time. And with this OL? Good fuging luck right? Our best hope is to lure Ben Johnson and throw a ransom at him. And if we can't get him then throw everything we have at Bobby Slowik possibly. I can't keep arguing about all this. I want the same thing you and the other guy want. I want Bryce Young to succeed here. I do not want to have traded DJ Moore for a failure. But I am not going to bury my head in the sand in the meantime. I will speak on what I see good or bad. Enjoy your day fellas.

Cam was up and down at times no doubt but he is the only MVP in team history for a reason. He still gave us hope more often than not and he was vilified for despising losing early on often regarded as a sore loser. Give me a sore loser any day of the week. I'd argue offensive coordinator and particularly head coach is more important. Mike Shula despite how much many of us despised the man did more for Cam than his QB coach. And Ron Rivera would have been fired by season 2 if not for Cam's heroics that often lifted the team. At the end of the day my point was simple. Regardless of the QB coach the player he is tasked with working and developing still has to have to prerequisite phsyical traits to succeed at this level. Cam had them. CJ Stroud has them. Does Bryce Young?

I got the complete opposite. He took a press conference following the firing of yet another head coach only 11 games into the first season in the midst of one of the most disastrous seasons in team history and used it as an opportunity to once again blovate and toot his own horn about his knowledge of running a professional football operation. He dodged the subject of Fitterer. I didn't get any level of humility or possible inkling of a willingness to cede any level of power to an outsider to run the operation for him. This was absolutely more of the same.

People are really in here trying to run interference for Tepper after that mess lol

That's why I said in his prime. Clearly once those physical gifts began to diminish he was unable to adjust. Time is undefeated. I've already acknowledged one of the biggest things that could have changed his career was better footwork. But regardless Cam showed from game one of the regular season that he belonged in the league. That is what you want and expect to see from a #1 pick.

For folks arguing Tepper doesn't meddle and he and his wife had no part in pushing for Bryce Young.

Cope gonna cope. Moving beyond the pick it's crystal clear Tepper has not changed one iota. If anything this has made him dig in even deeper. He is not giving up any level of control of this franchise. We are going to see things done his way even if it ends in turmoil yet again.

Yeah I don't see any way you can come out of this press conference not thinking Tepper in all likelihood pushed for Bryce Young.

They won't. If this were NY or west coast the knives would be out.

There are a few things I can appreciate such as acknowledging fans frustration. On the whole though I'm seeing the same old Tepper thinking he knows everything. He speaks of various aspects of a football operation as if he has been successfully doing this for decades. Nothing changing there he still thinks he and only he knows how to fix this.

Bruv you missed the whole boat lol Still have some

This is from a press conference when Wilks was the interim apparently.

Also since you want to drag Cam Newton into this (getting really old btw) what exactly did Ken Dorsey do for Cam? Did his footwork ever improve? It didn't matter while he was in his prime because Cam was one of the most phsyically gifted quarterbacks in history. Dorsey should be thanking Newton now until the day he dies for what he did to open doors for him despite being little more than a cheerleader. We see where he is now.

One season as a quality control assistant one season as an assistant QB coach. What a resume! The difference folks with blinders here don't want to admit is the QB he has had to work with had all the necessary physical tools for a franchise QB and every bit of that has successfully translated. Bryce Young? Crickets.

Earlier in the season before this offense killed the spirit of the locker room Brown was one of the few Panthers players showing heart and emotion. He is absolutely part of our future going forward.

I see folks have taken to shitting on McCown now after fawning over his breakdown videos many months ago. Maybe he was the wrong choice. Maybe we shouldn't have hired a QB coach with no previous experience doing so. Or maybe the QB coach doesn't matter as much as ya'll think and you still need a player with the necessary traits to make the jump to the next level. Below is CJ Stroud's QB coach. Anyone going to tell me he has significantly more experience than McCown? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrod_Johnson

I am a BIG fan of all things Greg Olsen but no this is not a good idea.

To say the cupboards are bare is a severe understatement. 2 out of our 3 top defensive players were drafted by Hurney. On offense we traded away a top 10 WR also drafted by Hurney. Scott Fitterer must go!

You're talking about the same David Tepper who spoke confidently just earlier this year about not needing to invest a great deal of money or draft capital in the WR position because our rookie QB was so good at distributing the ball. If you believe this catastrophe is going to make David Tepper make a complete 180 in his approach to business that he has maintained throughout his adult life more power to you. I'd like to see it myself. I don't expect it to happen though.

It's long spilled milk. Best to let go and move on. We need to invest huge in our oline now. If we get that situated then from there we can establish a reasonably formidable run game with any decent running back and assess our QB situation.

Nothing against CMC personally but you can't call someone a star player and then shelve them with an 18 million dollar cap hit and still be a competive franchise. We should have gotten a better return value for him but CMC would not be saving our season here anyway. No one would even be talking about this still if we had drafted CJ Stroud.

Nothing to hide. You'll find me being quite angry about trading DJ Moore. Didn't think it was a good idea but tried to make sense of it by finding solace in the fact we would be drafting a QB who had what I thought was similar arm talent to Cam Newton in a kid by the name of CJ Stroud. Of course we passed on him.