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Honestly I assumed and part of me hoped Dalton would look like total asswater against Seattle. Because it would drive home the notion that our scheme and coaching are horrific and therefore absolve Bryce Young to some degree of this debacle. Andy surprised me though and in turn kicked up my concern level for our #1 pick a few more notches. I think our offense is certainly not good but I think the people saying our receiving weapons are completely awful are overstating their case to a degree to protect Bryce. There's as much of that going on as there is a certain level of overreaction to every little thing Bryce does. Both things can be true. As I said though I welcome the game where Bryce Young truly arrives. Hopefully that day comes before we've all eaten each other.

Ah yes he's a stat padder but so far our only glimmer of hope from our #1 overall pick has been in garbage time. Speaking of narratives.

Lipstick on a pig.

Dalton is mediocre at best and 35 years old my guy. But we don't have to agree no worries appreciate the input.

Others are creating a narrative though. We are 0-5. Our offense has looked awful for a number of reasons but the truth of the matter is whether it is him being held back or the coaching staff being inept the best our passing game has looked was with Andy Dalton on the road. So sure when Orlovsky is like hey man you guys are being unfair to Bryce Young I'm going to say okay well let's see something on the field. We've seen glimpses. But when the game was out of reach. I'm waiting on that moment when Young takes over. I'll be cheering as loud as anyone else if and when it happens.

I am not saying he is entirely without credibility to give an opinion. But if his Sam Darnold takes were just a throwaway remark he made a few times it would be one thing. But it's worth noting since he went all in on Sam. He was outspoken about it. It's worth mentioning in the context of him putting it all on the line for another QB that is under a cloud of skepticism here. We don't have to like it. But it's relevant.

No Darnold slander? I'm deranged?

And? He also thought Sam Darnold was going to be a franchise QB. This same place once highly regarded Chris Simms opinions on QB's too. Whoever aligns with the narrative is the new popular name.

Any coach worth his salt knows how to compliment opposing talent leading up to a game. Rest assured he and his staff have watched the film on Bryce Young and they have got to be licking their chops over this matchup.

Yes you have to laugh to keep your sanity at this point. But if there were any silver lining it would mean David Tepper and his wife look like the two biggest clowns in the NFL.

I agree between the three of Brown Burns and Chinn he would be the odd man out right now. But we've really mismanaged this secondary and not drafting well on top of it stings. What's done is done though.

What else is he supposed to say? Did someone think he was going to mock us for saying no thanks to CJ Stroud? He's a good coach and he's right Bryce has plenty of talent. But smoke is smoke. Hopefully we don't get taken to the woodshed.

In general? Not a lot given our desperation teams know we are flailing. Mid rounder maybe. But I'm not in favor of a straight up swap for a player his own team can't stand. If we want to take a risk on Jeudy we can do so without trading a player who isn't a locker room problem whatsoever for a guy who could likely end up being another Robbie Anderson.

Sure but how many of those teams took the ass backwards approach of trading your best WR in years to draft your QB? We are victims of our own circumstance and Fitterer created this.

It wouldn't be a Tepper thread without some good old fashioned boot licking.

Desperate times. Knowing how these things go for the Panthers Burns will probably play his ass off for the next several seasons after we trade him.

What a sad state of affairs. From drafting the NFL equivalent of Steph Curry and the next Drew Brees to calling up any front office that will pickup the phone to see if they'll drop an elite WR into our laps. Anyone remember Crank Yankers? The Panthers front office is Special Ed on the phone line right now.

I don't have much faith in Clifford but I hope the players can give me something decent to watch this season.

Oof that would be a robbery. If I'm trading for Jeudy I'll give a mid rounder at best. No more.

Go back and read this post again. You sound unhinged. So how are you above anyone else here exactly? Oh wow big clap. You spend your days calling out fans of a franchise with 7 winning seasons in 30 years. GO YOU! We all want the same result. But not everyone is required to polish a turd. People are allowed to call a product what it is when they see it on the field week in and week out. It sounds as if you just don't like reality. Well that's too bad. Good luck with that bud.

Probably but sadly the internet has a lot of people who spend their team bootlicking. Just a few years ago if you said Tepper was a meddler you would be met with multiple replies telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.

We traded up to draft him first overall most people don't want to hear excuses they want to see him show why he was the top pick. Just as much as you accuse others of whining crying and wallowing you sure don't mind staying up late pooing posts that hurt your feelings. You're welcome to try another community.

My friend dragging Cam Newton into the debate to soften the blow of Bryce Young having a bottom 3 passer rating isn’t the flex you think it is. Cam Newton did have talent like 89 and Olsen but he also elevated those around him and even Greg Olsen himself would tell you if it weren't for Newton his career would not have had the trajectory that it did. Hey maybe Bryce Young could do these things in time we just don't know. But I can tell you no amount of grasping at straws comparison wise is going to make Bryce physically able to make the elite throws even other rookies in his draft class are making. I'd love to see it. Hopefully we will. In the meantime let's take baby steps and stop trying to draw parallels to the only MVP in franchise history when the best thing we can say about Bryce Young is he can make some nice plays when the game is already out of reach.

Another cope thread

There's a world of a difference between an owner who is engaged and cares about winning and an owner who is an egomaniac and struggles to remove himself from the process. There's a reason David Tepper and Matt Rhule hit it off so well when they first met. Both are immensely ego driven and controlling.