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This is exactly why I want him as our QB next year after taking T-Mac and having a great young group of offensive weapons who need to expedite their seasoning. He says and does some really weird things, but even with how much they're laughing at him here, McCoy says how much he loves Jameis, because despite the weird stuff, his teammates love him and he's a pretty good leader (except for maybe the pregame hype speech apparently lol). All that combined with his arm talent and no fear of attempting any pass, he's the perfect QB to help build up young WRs, TEs, and RBs like we have. Let him get them better for a season or two and then go all in on a FA, trade, or trade up in the draft to get the right QB to add into all that talent for a real SB run. I'm fine with losing 3-4 extra games for that season or two with him as our QB if it means our young offensive skill position guys have an expedited growth of their game because he's gonna sling that rock all over the place and at a high volume.

Nah I love Thielen and he's a more than valuable player, but I think we have that role covered a bit with XL (in terms of the going across the middle) and if we were to draft T-Mac, he also thrives on crossing routes and absorbing hits while making crazy grabs. I'd rather have a peak Curtis Samuel type of slot WR over a Thielen, especially with XL and Coker already on the roster who are more in the Thielen mold from the slot than a Samuel, even if they aren't exactly Thielen of course.

I'm not going to try and go find old posts from months and months ago, but yes, you called me crazy for saying T-Mac over Hunter as a WR on numerous occasions. and yes, you are a Madden fanboy (and I don't mean the game, just in how you view potential roster management moves, you view them as if it's Madden where you can manipulate things to get whatever you want done). Again, that you don't see this stuff is an indictment on you, not me.

My point is you continue to tout up your analysis of players while bashing mine. Yet currently the player you claim to want the most in this class, is only in that position in your mind because of MY analysis of him and pushing him on you. If you can't see the seething irony there, then I don't know what to say.

You're right, we do agree on T-Mac, which... hold on..... *checks notes again*..... is only something we agree on because you finally listened to what I was saying about him on here SINCE LAST NOVEMBER, despite your insistence that he wasn't on the same level as Hunter as a WR for the longest of times. There's that next level analysis you provide this place, rock on!

Yep, me calling Hunter a clear Top 10 prospect and the likely winner of the Heisman this year is.... *checks notes*...... throwing shade on him. Explaining the reasons you don't think a specific player is the right fit on a particular team right now is not throwing shade, it's called football/draft analysis. That you STILL can't or simply refuse to understand/acknowledge that is on YOU, not me, sorry bud.

Really? I've stated soooooooo many times how much I wouldn't touch any of the QB's in this draft class with the current state of our franchise. Wanting to take a WR has nothing to do with Bryce, I literally just made a long post yesterday (or maybe the day before) about how I would draft T-Mac, trade Bryce for the best offer, and sign Jameis this offseason because I think it would be the best way to develop our young weapons and then find a long term QB solution in the following year or two once the rest of the roster is built up a bit. But sure, go on and think me wanting to draft a WR this year is the proof of me wanting to stick with Bryce. EDIT: Here you go, here's the post with me going into how I'd go about the QB situation in this offseason and how I think the roster should be built up to have a contender a few years from now......

Starting to ball? Looking like a below average marginally competent QB is starting to ball? for a player 1 year removed from being the #1 overall pick? He had 263 and 298 yards against two of the worst pass defenses in the league, with a grand total of 6 TD passes on the entire season and only 1 game over 171 yards passing this year before these last two games, and even that was only 224 yards. Even in the 2 games he won this year, he had a grand total of 297 yards passing combined with 2 TDs and 1 INT But sure, ball away short king, ball away.

LOL, wish I had put what I just edited in that post in there originally, but now that you posted this as I was editing it, it's even funnier. Go on, keep bragging about correctly predicting who we would pick, not even talking about whether or not they were the correct picks. Calling a draft pick couldn't be any further than correctly grading out the prospects. You're literally asking for credit for correctly predicting we'd draft Bryce, but wanting to ignore how woefully incorrect you were on your evaluation of him. I wish I could make up things that ridiculous, I'd be a millionaire hollywood writer of Academy award winning films. It's basically the equivalent of Joe Lunardi bragging about how many NCAA Tournament teams he correctly predicted. At that point in the process, it's harder to be wrong than it is to be correct. The Panthers made it clear as day that they loved XL and planned on drafting him, XL himself accidentally leaked to the press that he was told by the team that he'd be the pick if he was there when they were on the clock. But yea, you were nostradamus and called that one when nobody else could see it coming.

I high key think you're one of the worst football analysts I've ever seen, and I've told you as such. I remember some of yours because they are so astoundingly ignorant of real life NFL implications despite your insistence of being correct. Hell, even in this post you say something downright comical. You're literally bragging about correctly guessing who we'd draft, not even about who they are as players. That in itself just shows how you can't seem to view anything in the correct lens. I correctly predicted we would draft Bryce, but you don't see me bragging about that. I also correctly predicted exactly the type of QB he would be at this level, and I'm still not bragging about that because it was that obvious, yet you still thought he was the second coming and would lead us to the SB hunt last year. But go on, keep telling me how awesome you are at this.

lol, you've proven over the last 2 years that you view everything through a Madden lens of flash and not substance based in NFL realities. The number of absolutely asinine ideas that you've thrown out over the last couple of years is just comical. For example, you spent all of last season saying we needed to sign Higgins this past offseason, where I kept telling you that he wasn't even going to hit the market, but you wouldn't stop beating that drum. You think real life NFL is a Madden video game, both in the moves you can make and how you grade out players.

You were the loudest proponent on this board for Bryce and claimed we would be SB contenders his rookie year. He ended up with the worst rookie season for a QB in NFL history and we ended up with the #1 pick that we didn't even own. You have no leg to stand on with draft analysis. Beyond that... you were the same person who was bashing me for pushing T-Mac a few months ago and saying you'd take Hunter over him as a WR without question. The only reason you've even come around on T-Mac is because of me and my analysis of him and you then forcing yourself to watch him more and in the end, you realized that I was correct. So please, keep telling me how you know better than me, I'm listening....................

I don't think the Jaguars end up as the #1 pick, even without Lawrence. Without looking at every team's schedule the rest of the way, I have to think they might have the easiest remaining schedule. Titans x2, Jets, Raiders, and Colts are their remaining 5 games, who have a combined 17 wins between them, if you count the Titans wins twice, lol. Even without Lawrence, there is a very real chance they find a way to win one or two of those games and drop from the #1 pick in the end.

The post had nothing to do with Hunter specifically, but again, you see me mention his name and just take it as a slight to him. It was a post regarding the WR position at the top of this draft, of which, there are 3 who are clearly better than the rest, one of whom just so happens to be Hunter. The only reason I brought up Hunter and Burden was to point how how they are both likely slot WRs compared to T-Mac being an outside WR, and for me, that's a key differentiator in the end when you need to rank all 3 on a team's big board. If there was a team at the top of the draft with a clear outside #1 WR, then I think they would be a team more likely to take Hunter or Burden if they want a WR, as they would be a better pairing. This is also a perfect example of why I can't stand your draft/FA analysis of players, because you can't separate individual players and the need/fit with a particular team. You take everything about the players in a vacuum by itself, which is the worst way to evaluate player movement. You also only took issue with me bringing up Hunter, not Burden, because again, you seem unable to view my posts as anything other than Hunter shade, when they're really comparing players at a specific position and comparing them to our current roster and needs.

Anyone who thinks T-Mac is slow is just looking at him being 6'5" and making an assumption based on his height that he's a plodding big man. If someone has watched him play, you can see that no, he's not a track star who is going to run in the 4.3's, but he absolutely is going to end up sub 4.5 as he has more than enough speed for the position. He'll already be the #1 WR on almost every team's board before the combine, but after they see him do the same drills right next to the other WRs, it will be clear and obvious to every GM there in person that he's the top WR in the draft, by a decent distance. If Hunter or Burden were more true outside WRs instead of likely slot type of guys, it could be different, but with that being the case, there really is no argument for either being higher on team's WR rankings.

Coming from someone who has watched every snap of T-Mac's career, if anything the media is under-hyping him because of the team's and his QB's struggles this year. He should be getting similar hype to Harrison did last year but his "down year" compared to the numbers he should have been putting up has kept some of that hype at bay. Even with all that he's I think 3rd in the nation in receiving, which if you've watched the team play this year, is crazy impressive, as our program was a mess this year.

The Raiders are in a division with Mahomes, Herbert, and now Nix (not to mention they each have an elite HC as well). I can't see any way they pass up on a QB they like to stick with O'Connell for another season, that's just not the Raiders way of doing things, they like to make splashes. If Shedeur is there when they're on the clock, I really can't see them passing him up. Shedeur + Las Vegas + Raiders = a match made in NFL hell, I'd be shocked if it didn't happen unless the Giants take him at #1. Really the only way I don't think it happens is if Deion realizes that Shedeur getting sent to that division with those other QB's/Teams is probably not best for Shedeur's career to start out on a good note and pushes for it not to happen.

How do you see it playing out differently? Seems pretty clear cut in the Top 5 to me, it will be 2 QB's, Hunter, T-Mac, and then the 5th player is probably going to come down to team need with Johnson, Graham, and one of the OL in the mix there. The Giants and Raiders are almost 100% taking the 2 QB's assuming they're in position to, and if not, they're going to try to trade into the picks needed to take a QB. The Patriots are taking an OL, Hunter, or T-Mac, which way they go will likely be decided by what they're able to get in FA before the draft. If they get an OT or two, they go with Hunter or T-Mac, if they can't get a new starting LT, I think that's the way they go to protect Maye. The Jags are a mystery as they really shouldn't be this bad this year, they have a lot of pieces and really could go any direction with their pick because of it. I also only see one more possible win for us against Dallas, we're not beating the Eagles and I just don't think the Cardinals, Bucs or Falcons will lose to us with their playoff hopes on the line. And if we win 1 more game, I think we still end up in the #5 spot. Jets still play the Jags and the Dolphins twice, Titans play the Jags twice and the Colts, so even if we win one more, they both likely do as well with puts us in line for the 6 spot at worst. At that point it would come down to if the Browns are able to beat the Dolphins, but with that game being December 22nd and in Cleveland, I think they have a real shot at winning that cold weather game where the Dolphins tend to struggle. You have to keep in mind that we're also likely to have the tiebreaker over almost every team who might be picking in the Top 10. The Patriots are the only team currently slotted in the Top 11 picks that would pick before us if we end up with a tied record, we have the lower SOS than all the other 9 teams in that range.

Drafting T-Mac fixes almost all our WR problems, after that we just need to find that shifty quick twitch slot guy and we're set at WR for a number of years. T-Mac as the #1, XL as the #2, Coker and a quick twitch guy in the slot. That's a young core that has best WR room in the NFL type of upside.

And btw, the funny thing about possibly drafting either T-Mac or Graham... they grew up together and played for the same HS

Well first, it's not really fair to say the defense was bad even with DB in there, he played one game for us this year. But if we're at #5, it means one of the 2 QB's, T-Mac, Hunter, or Johnson would be there and I can't see any reason to take a DT when any of them are available. We take one of the 3 players or trade back for someone who wants one of the QB's, and that's how you pick up the extra 1st in a trade. Even if the QB's are gone and so is T-Mac/Hunter and for some reason we didn't want Johnson, you could still trade back to the 10-12 range and probably pick up another 2nd in that draft and probably another 2nd or 3rd in 2026 as well, which would likely be worth it. If we lose out, we're likely picking 4th at worst, if we win 1 more game, we still have a very real shot at picking #5 given the remaining schedules of all the teams in that range right now (they still play each other a lot and have to pick up wins because of it). The ideal situation would be we somehow end up with say the #2 or #3 pick and the Raiders end up #4. We swap picks with them while getting their 2026 1st so they can take one of the QB's, Hunter goes #3, and then we end up getting T-Mac at #4 while also picking up a future 1st. That is a very real possibility of happening if we lose out as the Raiders still play the Jaguars at home, and if we end with a tied record, we'll get the higher pick as they have a much tougher SOS. The Jags play the Titans twice, Jets, Raiders, Cots, if we lose out and they win just 1 of those games, we're probably picking ahead of them as right now they have the higher SOS. The Patriots actually might beat the Bills in the final game of the season as the Bills could be locked into the 2 seed by then and have no reason to play their regulars. If those things happen and we lose out, we're picking 3rd at worst. If the Raiders also beat the Jags out of that, we're picking 2nd behind the Giants. The Patriots losing out and taking T-Mac #2 instead of trading back with someone who wants a QB or taking an OL or Hunter is the big wrench in things. Besides that, losing out puts us in the driver's seat to take T-Mac, possibly even after a trade back as well.

When we drafted Luke, we already had Cam, Smith, Olsen, Stewart, Deangleo, Gross, Kalil, CJ, Hardy, Beason, TD, Gamble (and maybe more I'm forgetting), we had a lot of great pieces in place. Going pure BPA for a player with Luke's potential when the LB you already have is different when you already have all those pieces in place. Our OL right now is probably in a better shape than that team and our RBs and TE have potential compared to proven vets back then, but after that, the 2012 roster was in a far better shape than we are right now. We need a #1 WR, DEs, LBs, DBs, C, and depending who you ask a QB. Going BPA at pick #5 when that player is a DT and your current best player on either side of the ball is a DT, seems irresponsible. If he's the only player they like that high left, then you trade back and go with position of more need at a slot that makes sense for the player while adding other picks. If you trade back and he falls because other teams don't need/want a DT, then you consider him at that point because of the value.

Well for one, a big part of it being the worst unit is because the best player on the entire team has been hurt the entire season. The other is that we're lacking a top end edge rushing threat, adding Graham doesn't help there, there just isn't a Top 5 worthy edge rusher in this class. Yes, it would give us probably the best interior defensive line for the next decade and that would be cool to have. But I think we have far too many other holes that aren't already being somewhat patched up by the return of our best player healthy next season. If we miss out on T-Mac and could trade back while picking up an additional 1st in the trade, even next year, and get Graham, then I'd be much more on board. But even then, if we were to trade back, I think we'd be more in line to take a shot on one of the edge rushers. But for me, it's always going to be T-Mac over everyone else. We haven't had a true #1 WR since Smith and after QB and DE, it's our biggest hole right now. This not only solves that for the next decade, it solves it with a guy who is going to be a Top 5 WR in this league, don't over think it.

He hasn't caused any problems because Deion acts like he's another son of his and let's him do things that no other player in the country could get away with. If he was at any other school, he'd be just as good but he'd probably have a serious diva label on him, it's just ignored because the whole program is like that in Colorado. Deion catches him "stealing" shoes form his personal locker room and finds it hilarious and posts the video online for the world to see. He goes on podcasts during the season complaining that he's not the Heisman favorite, on his bye week he flys across the country to campaign for himself on the morning shows in person. You don't see that kind of stuff and see red flags for him when he's in the NFL and the HC isn't a man child surrogate father figure to him? He's also continuously said he expects to play both ways full time in the NFL, which if any team lets him do it, they're dumb and he's going to get hurt and/or struggle. Then if/when they don't and the team is struggling to score while he gets 5 gadget snaps a game, you think he's going to react well to that? Him and Shedeur have the biggest red flags for a first rounder since Manziel from that diva mentality standpoint, I'm not using a Top 5 pick on a CB that comes with that big of a risk when Johnson is an equal if not better prospect (and I've touched many times on never taking him over T-Mac as a WR either). And I've seen plenty of the "experts" who don't have him as the #1 prospect anyways. Many who do also talk about him as an "athlete" and that he'll be a CB who gets plenty of WR snaps as well, which again, I don't think is going to happen. The kid is an elite talent, it's why he was the #1 player in HS too, but at this point, he's just not the best WR and I don't think he's the best CB either (I do think he's 2nd). His past doesn't matter anymore. If you're taking a CB #1 overall or as the first non QB off the board, they have to be a STUD lockdown corner who might not even get many INTs because teams just won't throw that way, kinda like Revis or Asomugha at their peaks. That's not Hunter. I've likened him to Trevon Diggs, someone who is one of the better CBs in the league because he has the ability to lock his man down at times and makes a lot of great plays. But those great plays are because their game is predicated on taking risks, which in the NFL leads to giving up a lot of big plays as well. That's Hunter. If Hunter didn't take a snap on the offensive side of the ball, he'd be a great prospect and talked about as a Top 10 pick based on team needs for a CB. But he wouldn't be the #1 ranked prospect, he wouldn't be talked about as the first non QB to be taken. I don't see the few snaps you're going to give him a game on offense being worth jumping over better actual prospects at their positions while taking on the risks that come with him and the whole Deion world. That's what I mean by falling for the media hype, because I feel like the legend of Hunter has outgrown the real life NFL prospects Hunter.

Love the player, just not on a team who's best player is already a DT, for a team with as many holes as we have, that is just a poor allocation of picks/cap space to draft him right after paying DB.