Bear Hands

At least the Saints miss the playoffs.

Nightmare season ends in 5!

They could knock out Cleveland round 1. And honestly, the way Buffalo, KC & Miami have looked, the Texans could wind up in the AFCC. Not a stretch.

What an awful pass. I'm turning this off the quad box

touchback lol Won't miss you Chark. Last game as a Panther

Tomlin is an excellent coach. But I (a) doubt he goes anywhere and (b) doubt Tepper could get him. Much better than Wilks. Don't get that comp/seems a bit shallow. I'd say he is one of the best coaches of the 21st century.

My Top-3: Ben Johnson Dave Canales Mike MacDonald Who I'd be fine with: Shane Waldron Ben Slowick (seems a bit inexperienced but am open to it given HOU's year) Frank Smith (again, a bit unsure given his resume but open) Jim Harbaugh (why not if him and Tepper end up figuring it out haha)

Love the outro song fox. Better Days "I've seen better days, and the bottom drops out" lol

And look at that, he's already making noise against us today. Spears had a big TD play. LaPorta a TD. Rookies performing well everywhere but here. Oh wee mayne

ffs Juan

The DJJ pick right before Diaby went off the board reminds me of when Hurney grabbed Edmund Kugbila and gifted GB Dave Bakhtiari with the very next pick.

O’Connell in Minny, Waldron in SEA, our own Thomas Brown. I’m probably missing more. Depends on how you look at it but McVay is still pretty in line philosophically with Shanahan in many respects. And both are still making the playoffs annually and contending.

Yeah I remember hearing that as well. Likely Avila or Bergeron at OG. If memory serves me right, word was they had their eye on Nolan Smith too. And they mentioned they had an edge on their list that was taken early (McDonald was my guess) Their big boards were still very flawed if they had Mingo as best available.

Yeah I mentioned that as well.

If Bryce doesn’t work out (not that I’m by any means hoping for that), it very well could be and not hyperbole. I tried to avoid offering my own revisionist history scenarios…but the other possibilities between coaching hires and different draft scenarios is infinitely frustrating. Draft wise, so many different routes without the #1 trade up… Richardson-Tuli-Dell-Kraft or a Stroud-Brents-Downs type one. Hell, at this point I’m honestly wondering what a Jalen Carter-Jayden Reed-Hendon Hooker-YaYa draft could’ve been like. Anyhoo, we aren’t changing the past haha

Fitt's new role if he sticks around (for LOTR fans): Grima

And one final bit of analysis That's 16 picks used in 2 years that turned into: 8 players! And Icky, Bryce, & Mingo are the only real guys left with long term potential (and that's a stretch to say). So, no mid-to-late round finds, maybe 4 guys left (from 16 picks) that are weighing more on the bust than success side of the spectrum. The other 4 aren't long for being Panthers. The book is not written, but holy hell. We've also used 1 future pick on Smith-Marsette (2025s 7th) In a league where so much of the draft is guesswork or dependent on building depth, everything, the worst thing you can do is limit your chances and don't balance out your risks. That is a grand total of 17 picks used in 2 seasons/since the CMC & Anderson trades. I'd dare say this is the worst managed 2-year stretch for any franchise in some time. What a way to waste the capital gained from the CMC and Robbie trades...that was 6 added picks in total. And I think there's a good argument we didn't get enough out of CMC's deal. Teams wanted him and it didn't seem like we played hardball enough between SB contender/division rivals (LA & SF).

I'm still undecided on which of 39/Mingo vs. 80/DJJ makes me more frustrated, but just want to reiterate this point again: We used 9 picks, including a future 1st and 2nd (and DJ Moore) on these 5 players. Last year, we used 5 picks on 3 guys ALREADY OFF THE TEAM (Matt Corral, Brandon Smith, & Kalon Barnes). Icky, Barno, & Mays are all that remains. That's how you become the worst roster in football folks.

TL,DR: Our draft was terrible But for those interested, let's DIVE IN through 16 games. I'm skipping the Bryce vs. rookie QBs chat because that's had plenty of discussion. We had pick 39 & chose Jonathan Mingo: Jonathan Mingo: 43 rec (85 targets) | 418 yards | 0 TDs | 9.7 avg Drafted Receivers (TE & WR): Jaxon S-N: 60 rec (88 targ) | 614 yards | 4 TDs | 10.2 avg Jordan Addison: 66 rec (100 targ) | 854 yards | 9 TDs | 12.9 avg Zay Flowers: 77 rec (108 targ) | 858 yards | 5 TDs (6 total) | 11.1 avg Dalton Kincaid: 66 rec (83 targ) | 589 yards | 2 TDs | 8.9 avg Sam LaPorta: 81 rec (113 targ) | 860 yards | 9 TDs | 10.6 avg notable after pick 39... Jayden Reed: 60 rec (90 targ) | 681 yards | 8 TDs (10 total) | 11.4 avg Rashee Rice: 79 rec (102 targ) | 938 yards | 7 TDs | 11.9 avg Tank Dell: 45 rec (75 targ) | 709 yards | 7 TDs | 15.1 avg (in 11 games!) Josh Downs: 65 rec (95 targ) | 723 yards | 2 TDs | 11.1 avg Puka Nacua: 101 rec (154 targ) | 1,445 yards | 5 TDs | 14.3 avg More Notes: Demario Douglas, Michael Wilson, & Donta Wicks all had more receiving yards than Mingo. Marvin Mims has shown explosion/big play ability for Denver, and both Trey Palmer and Jalin Hyatt have come on at the end of the season for TB and NYG respectively. Luke Musgrave was having a very strong year but got injured. Tucker Kraft (another rookie) has stepped in and played GREAT at TE. Mingo is the ONLY rookie WR with substantial receptions to have a sub 10.0 YPR avg Q Johnston seems like the only one struggling as much as Mingo. -- Okay then..onto the other big position need we tried to fill...we spent a packaged 93rd & 132nd pick on: DJ Johnson: 6 tackles (16 comb) | 1 TFL Comparing Rookie Pass Rushers: Will Anderson: 29 tackles (44 comb) | 7 sacks | 10 TFL Jalen Carter: 18 tackles (30 comb) | 6 sacks | 2 FF | 8 TFL | 1 Def TD Calijah Kancey: 18 tackles (25 comb) | 4 sacks | 10 TFL Tuli Tuipulotu: 35 tackles (48 comb) | 4.5 sacks | 2 FF | 8 TFL Byron Young: 41 tackles (60 comb) | 7 sacks | 2 FF | 7 TFL BJ Ojulari: 19 tackle (35 comb) | 4 sacks | 4 TFL after pick 80... YaYa Diaby: 22 tackles (33 comb) | 6.5 sacks | 1 FF | 11 TFL *pick at 82, 2 after DJJ Kobie Turner: 29 tackles (57 comb) | 9 sacks | 8 TFL *pick 89 The 132nd pick we traded: Nick Herbig: 19 tackles (27 comb) | 3 sacks | 5 TFL | 2 FF Karl Brooks: 10 tackles (18 comb) | 3 sacks | 4 TFL | 1 FF *pick 179 Notes: Van Ness, McDonald, and a few others were behind talented edge rushers but still managed some nice work when they've gone in. KJ Henry (pick 137) has had snaps since the Sweat and Young trades and look aight as well in WAS. -- REVIEW TIME! D+ (I'm being kind) We chose Mingo over some high performing rookies. Luke Musgrave (TE), JuJu Brents (DB), Jayden Reed (WR), Tuli (EDGE), Brian Branch (DB), Rashee Rice (WR), Tyrique Stevenson (DB), & DJ Turner (DB) to name just a few, were selected shortly after. I'm not calling Mingo a certified bust, but it was NOT a good campaign. He also didn't fit what we desperately needed at WR (quickness and route running). He has a lot he needs to work on, isn't a big hands-catcher either. I'll give leniency on mid 3rd-7th rounders that bloomed because every team passed on them for a round after 39. However, it should be noted that we gave up pick 61 in the Bryce trade, a pick just ahead of Marvin Mims, Tank Dell, Byron Young, & Josh Downs. Moving on, we traded up for DJJ at pick 80 (Using 93 & 132). That's up 13 spots...and 3 of the next 4 picks after ours were impact rookies (Tyjae Spears, YaYa Diaby, Devon Achane). DJJ wasn't ready (age 25) and we needed to bring in an elder-Houston to help before the season began. Henley (LB), Ji'Ayir Brown (DB), Kobie Turner (DL) were right there as well all before pick 93 who could've warranted some argument in that trade up. It's not an F because Robinson has played ST and hasn't looked terrible..but he's not an NFL starter. It looks like Zavala may not even be suited for a backup role. -- A RECAP: Going into draft season, we had 7 picks: 1-9 (shipped) 2-39 2-61 (shipped) 3-93 (shipped) 4-114 4-132 (shipped) 5-145 We ended up with 5 players selected, none have given us any comfort or any sense of security at their positions. QB, WR, EDGE, OG, & DB. Not a single one. In total, we used 9 draft picks (2 future 1-2024, 2-2025) and (1) DJ Moore on this 5 player draft class. Let that soak in. 9 picks and DJ Moore for Bryce, Mingo, DJJ, Zavala, and Robinson The grade on this draft is hinging on Bryce, but if he doesn't work out, this could end up being one of the worst drafts in NFL history. This is on the scouting team and Fitterer's drafting as much as the players/situation they're in. The GM put the struggling talent in said position. Thanks for reading. Happy New Year!

I'll be honest, if I was a billionaire I'd still be about 51% selfish, 29% wealth management, 20% spread the wealth. Massive generalizations, but you get the drift. I'm more around 84-15-1 at this point haha

"Billionaires shouldn't exist but if I was one, I'd be the very bestest most caring one ever!"

Following up on this, there was an updated Prospects to Pros pod and Brugler reiterated a lot of this again. He no doubt made NFL caliber throws in the semifinal but he still doesn’t throw in the middle of the field sub 20 yarders. Has greatly improved his accuracy but there’s stuff that he simply doesn’t do that are question marks. I sense him 2nd rounder absolute highest, just don’t see a 1st. 1. Maye 2. Williams 3. Daniels Tier Drop 4. JJ Tier Drop 5. Penix 6. Nix 7. Pratt 8. Ward - The rest aren’t meh (Assuming Ewers returns)

Justin Mad is getting re-signed by BAL no doubt. He's become one of the best DL in the league this year. Unreal season.

I don't expect to get a top-2 FA in any position group.

The organization is Fisker. We have all this money coming in to back it, desperately want to be some grand sensation, become trendsetters, be at the forefront, but keep tripping before we can even launch. Fail after fail after fail.